Lorne's silent anguish.

[Old Master 3.0]

In "Not Fade Away", right before Lorne shoots Lindsey, he says "I've heard you sing." Could that have had a deeper meaning?

Lindsey used to sing at Caritas....singing since LONG before he lost his hand.

Also in a late Season five eppie, Lorne is sitting in a bar talking about how sick he is of telling people what they want to hear instead of the truth, and also about his drinking problem.

The thing I am asking is....has Lorne always known that Lindsay would die by his hand?

It certainly would explain his drinking problem. Lorne is such a hater of violence, and the idea of him as a cold-blooded murderer could well have driven him to the bottle.

It could also explain his increasing withdrawal from the gang. Over the course of the season, Lorne disappears for long periods with strange excuses. Now, a lot of people simply have attributed that to the writers finding it difficult to give Lorne a more expanded role for the season....but it could also be that since Lindsey's reappearance, Lorne had known that the time to kill him was rapidly approaching.

Did Lorne know, right back from his first appearance on ANGEL, that he was going to be Lindsey's killer?




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[Beer_Nut]

Definitely a good question. I think you are on to something here. The "I've heard you sing" line definitely seems to point that way. I think he might have known that he would eventually kill Lindsey.

The only other explanation is that, having heard Lindsey sing, he knew that he would remain "evil" and would do horrible things later if Lorne didn't kill him.

It really could go either way. I don't really think that his absence from the show was to do with this though. I tend to think they had a hard time placing him in the scheme of things at W&H. Especially since they really fulfilled his role with W&H in the episode near the beginning of S.5 with the party (sorry, can't remember the name). His character just didn't fit with the stories that were set for the season, especially since Spike's arrival there were too many elements for the writers to incorporate.

But back to the origianl point, you definitely got my attention and I wonder what everyone else's opinions are.

[Jacklyn]

That is a very interesting opinion. It is true that this could be the meaning of Lorne's absence. But I have to think that, while it may explain Lorne's strange behavior, I do think that he was not in the show very much simply because they weren't sure where to go with his character. But that is a VERY interesting way of looking at it.

[Spikesgurl235]

Very interesting view of the matter. I always thought the drinking was because of Fred's death, or at least that was the implied meaning, but an underlying point could have been the Lindsey thing. I'm sure he wasn't seen in the season partly because the writers didn't know what to do with him, and because he never really "fit in" with the whole W&H crowd, and it never settled right with him.
There is a big possibility that Lorne did know that Lindsey would die at his hands. That would explain many of Lorne's actions, especially throughout this season. I'll definitley have to think about this one for a while.

[Mulder22]

Very interesting theory. The "I've heard you sing" line still gives me chills when I watch it. I think that Lorne knew Lindsey would never fully change and would always be out for himself. For that reason he was too much of a risk to join the Fang Gang. Angel knew this as did Lorne. I do like your theory though, it is interesting and may indeed be right.

[LadyLavinia]

Very interesting theory. The "I've heard you sing" line still gives me chills when I watch it. I think that Lorne knew Lindsey would never fully change and would always be out for himself. For that reason he was too much of a risk to join the Fang Gang. Angel knew this as did Lorne. I do like your theory though, it is interesting and may indeed be right.


Why do people think it was okay for Lorne to murder Lindsey because the latter might be a threat in the future? What is this? Sounds like fans are desperately trying to find an excuse to deal with a favorite character's bad behavior. And it doesn't wash with me. Lorne had committed murder. He had done wrong. I don't care if Lindsey might have been a future threat. He wasn't an immediate threat at the time. There is NO EXCUSE for what Lorne . . . and Angel had done. I wish people would stop making excuses and realize that they are responsible for the cold-blooded murder of Lindsey McDonald, and in the end, proved to be no better than what Lindsey used to be . . . or could be in the future.

[ProphecyGirl]

I've never actually understood Lorne's power though. I thought it simply shown an immediate path. Did he ever see something that far ahead? I guess he somewhat has (the Las Vegas days) but these people seemingly were about to go on the path to their brilliant futures.

[Mulder22]

Why do people think it was okay for Lorne to murder Lindsey because the latter might be a threat in the future? What is this? Sounds like fans are desperately trying to find an excuse to deal with a favorite character's bad behavior. And it doesn't wash with me. Lorne had committed murder. He had done wrong. I don't care if Lindsey might have been a future threat. He wasn't an immediate threat at the time. There is NO EXCUSE for what Lorne . . . and Angel had done. I wish people would stop making excuses and realize that they are responsible for the cold-blooded murder of Lindsey McDonald, and in the end, proved to be no better than what Lindsey used to be . . . or could be in the future.


I wasn't trying to say what Lorne and Angel did was right. I was just saying that I think that is what their excuse or reason for doing it was. I agree with you that it was cold-blooded murder. If Angel wanted to kill everyone who MIGHT pose a future threat then the first person he should kill should be himself. If he loses his soul he is one of the biggest threats ever.

[Lindseyiswicked]

yeah, pretty much everyone on his team has been a threat. Him, and Illyria are the first that come to mind. Illyria is still powerful and not really a good guy so...

[palabravampiress]

Yes, I didn't understand why they had Lorne kill Lindsey, either. That was never really explained, and it really did bother me. If Lindsey wasn't a mole working for the senior partners or the black thorn or someone, then what reason was there to kill him? Was it just because he was a witness to the anti-black thorn plot? Also, Angel killed Droggyn to get in with the Black Thorn. So that's one conspiracy to commit murder charge and one actual murder charge that we could lay at his door, plus one murder charge for Lorne. I don't have a problem with the Droggyn thing, though. It's unfortunate, but he was a necessary casualty of war. I see that a lot like I see Giles' killing of Ben so that Glory couldn't re-emerge and renew her apocalypse plan. Lindsey's death? I'm not so clear on how I feel about that one.

[WickedWillow]

I was ok with Lorne killing Lindsey, but it was like..WOW. You didn't expect it like that. I never liked the guy so it was ok with me. Something about Lorne though is what made it feel worse. I think because he is such a geniunely wonderful guy/demon that you feel his pain.