Worst death ever?

[Xin Rong]

I was watching angel series 5 when Illyria's talking about wesley getting drunk and calling her a smurf (so funny) because he cant get over Fred, and i thought to myself why is it taking so long for him to "move on" etc when usually characters don't stay fixated on the death of another character that often, then it hit me, wes couldn't move on because there's no way he could comfort himself with statements like "she's gone to a better place" etc because we know she didn't she was completely destroyed. Everything that Fred was is now gone, how can anyone get over that, at least every other character who died in buffyverse they knew that a part of them still existed and with the return of so many characters from the dead there is always hope that one day they may return but for wes there is just no hope whatsoever, Fred's gone and ther's nothing that can ever bring her back, which is why I came to the conclusion that Fred's death was quite simply the worst death ever!

[Croft Storm]

Is being completely gone really so bad though...no more pain. I agree that he found it hard because there was no way for her to come back, this adds a really blunt edge to the death. But had she gone to a hell dimension like Angel or Connor I still think it would be worse, even if there was a chance of her returning. And there was huge part of Fred in Illria, which makes it a bit better, depending on how you look at it.

[LadyLavinia]

I was watching angel series 5 when Illyria's talking about wesley getting drunk and calling her a smurf (so funny) because he cant get over Fred, and i thought to myself why is it taking so long for him to "move on" etc when usually characters don't stay fixated on the death of another character that often, then it hit me, wes couldn't move on because there's no way he could comfort himself with statements like "she's gone to a better place" etc because we know she didn't she was completely destroyed. Everything that Fred was is now gone, how can anyone get over that, at least every other character who died in buffyverse they knew that a part of them still existed and with the return of so many characters from the dead there is always hope that one day they may return but for wes there is just no hope whatsoever, Fred's gone and ther's nothing that can ever bring her back, which is why I came to the conclusion that Fred's death was quite simply the worst death ever!


I don't agree. Probably because Fred's death bored me to tears.

[Jenny]

I don't agree. Probably because Fred's death bored me to tears.

I know of alot of people who felt that same way. It was quite a long death and I think you'd have to be a Fred fan not to be bored.

As for the worst death...well I think every death could in some way be argued the worst. For me, probably Angel in Becoming Pt. 2. He regains his soul and the next thing he knows his true love is running a sword through him. Then, he spends the next who knows how long in some horrible demon demension. No peaceful rest, no 'poof' nothing left...hundereds of years of torture.

Sounds pretty horrible to me!

[Watcher's Pet]

I wind up crying every time I see it because she was one of my fave characters.

I wonder if they really would have done something to sort of bring her back if they'd had another season.

[pyromaniac]

I think even a Fred hater would have had to have been moved by that death, even i was blubbery. As for Wes not moving on, I suppose its hard when your constantly looking at the person you love even if you know its not her. When most people die they're not walking around in skin tight leather afterwards. I suppose that would make it hard to move on from.

[goldenboy]

Alright, just watched "A Hole in the World" again. Was dreading it because Fred was one of my favorites. And, personally, I'll agree: it's the worst death ever in the Buffyverse.

It strikes me as being the first "real" death in the Buffyverse. Or, the first presentation of a death from the atheistic perspective, Joss's perspective. Once you're dead, that's it. Everything, mind, body, soul, psyche: all gone.

Angel and Spike have that theoretical discussion about cavemen and astronauts. Later, as Fred's dying, "the cavemen win", she says. No technology, medicine can provide immortality.

It seemed a little like one of the more depressing "er" episodes. The patient is resigned to her fate. The docs struggle for awhile, rage against fate, then give up themselves. All fantasy, dreams removed.

That's how I perceive Joss's "angry atheism". Yelling at a god that would let this happen, an indifferent god. Or just screaming at the void. There's something obscene about death from the atheistic point of view. Like a sick joke. Which seems more horrifying, burning in hellfire or ceasing to exist?

Interestingly, this is the first episode in the 'verse I can recall where a character (Lorne) says he's going to pray. And not to some hellgod. Just pray, for Fred. Is that Joss speaking?

[Faith]

I wouldn't say it was the worst death ever, for me that would be Joyce's death. As it was human and something that people face everyday, unlike a God from the old world taking over your body. I know many people like myself that when watching it thought about how they would feel if it was their own mother. Unlike a God from the old world taking over your body.

[Joamna]

I can't really say if it was the worst or second worst death but it was without a doubt one of the worst one. Fred was my favourit character so just that made the death horrible(r). It feels kind of strange to compare deaths and say which one's the worst.. but this one is the one that makes me the most scared anyway.. I agree that the fact that she really was gone, in the atheistic way, made it even worse. For me that's the most horrifying thought about death, to be completly gone, it's so
un-understandable and not at all comforting.

[goldenboy]

Yeah, I guess it depends upon one's personal feelings about an afterlife, or lack thereof. Or conclusions about what exactly did happen to Fred.

We don't ultimately know what happened to Joyce or Tara, do we?

Another thing that amped up the horror factor for me was that Fred knew she was dying. She knew she would die a slow agonizing death. Joyce, maybe for a few seconds. Tara, had no clue what even happened to her.

[Joamna]

Another thing that amped up the horror factor for me was that Fred knew she was dying. She knew she would die a slow agonizing death. Joyce, maybe for a few seconds. Tara, had no clue what even happened to her.

And it was not only Fred who knew she was going to die, everyone around her knew too and not being able to save her (and Fred not being able to save herself) must have been awful.. seeing her slowly fading away but not being able to stop it.

[Faith]

We don't ultimately know what happened to Joyce or Tara, do we?

Another thing that amped up the horror factor for me was that Fred knew she was dying. She knew she would die a slow agonizing death. Joyce, maybe for a few seconds. Tara, had no clue what even happened to her.

What do you mean but we don't know what happened to Joyce or Tara, do you mean the afterlife?

Well Joyce knew that she had Cancer, so the possibility of death may (I say may because i've never been in that situation and don't want to assume) have entered into her mind. Especially as she would be leaving two daughters behind.

[goldenboy]

That's true about Joyce, she was long suffering and death was much on her and everyone else's mind during the tumor phase. And yes, afterlife was what I was thinking.

[Joamna]

But Joyce thought she was healthy again.. she had the tumor removed, and even though the doctor said to Buffy that Joyce was aware of the risks it didn't seem like anyone was very worried when Joyce was back home after the surgery.

[goldenboy]

That's true as well. Joyce had just had a date with a nice guy and things were looking up. Then Joss pulls the rug again. D'oh!

[Amy Acker]

I don't think her dealth was a boring but i didn't like how it was all played out at all. maybe you are all right but i think they dragged it out way to long plus i didn't like that she died for that fact!

[Ariana's Curse]

I don't know about the 'worst' death ever- I've gotta say that every death over the years has affected me differently: I cried at the death of Jenny Calendar because of the way Giles discovered her- I thought that was a really brutal moment for his heart. The death of Angel was awful- I cried a huge amount; mainly because of the fact that he had regained his soul and also seeing the pain in Buffy's eyes when she realised she would still have to kill him. The death of Joyce in season five was a real unexpected jolt which completely turned everything upside down- and like many have said, it was one of the first times we've seen a real scenario rock the show. Buffy's death at the end of season five was incredible as it showed just how much love she had for her sister and although we knew that she would come back- it still reduced me to tears. Tara's death was horrible because it came at a really heartwrenching time- she and Willow had only just found each other again- only to be torn apart once more. Anya's death was hugely unexpected and sudden- it made tears spring into my eyes to see the funniest character just sliced in half as if she were nothing- and especially afterward when Xander was calling for her and they cut to a shot of her body- that hurt. And Spike's death- again, completely unexpected; and it broke my heart that Buffy had to leave him; knowing she would never see him again. It felt like the end of an era and that's probably when I cried the most.
But then I heard Spike was to return so I began watching the final series of Angel (having not watched any of the others) and I immediately grew attached to the characters. It didn't even matter that Spike was in it- I fell in love with Fred and Wesley and they became my favourite chartacters. Then Fred died and I cried more for that death than any of the others- I can still cry about it now. I wouldn't necesarily say it was the worst- but definately the most touching.
Fred was a brand new character to me but she instantly became my favourite ever with her optimism and sweetness- she overtook all others in my heart. I think she's just one of those characters that work there way into your heart immediately- which is why her heart touched so many.
I don't think her death was dragged out for too long- I think it was perfect and it really touched me.
The fact that her whole being was destroyed still hurts me as she was such a wonderful woman and I believe you're right about that being the reason for Wesley's prolonged agony.

[Feigenbaum]

I believe that the aspects that make Fred's death horrible are that she was hollowed out (her organs/brain were liquified) and her soul was destroyed.

Angel said it best..."..A demon sets up shop in your body, but it doesn't get your soul". Whether you die by natural causes or by a demon, your soul is normally intact and sent to whatever afterlife you believe in. In the case of Fred, she had no chance for an afterlife. As we all know, her sould was consumed, destroyed. What stinks is that she was pure... many people said that her character was the light, and could 'warm people up'. (Remember, that's why Knox chose her). So, because her essence was destroyed to bring an old one to life to destroy the world really makes a difference.

[Roonblah]

The reasons stated above are what makes me think of Fred's death as sad. She was a character I liked, and I was a closet Fred/Angel shipper ever since she first appeared. The idea that Fred was not going to a better place but was being eaten alive to make way for something else was heartbreaking. Illyria grew on me and I was so chuffed for Amy Acker, but I still miss Fred. It made Wesley's death so much sadder when Illyria "lied" to him. That's something that I think would be hard to top had the WB let it continue.

[LadyLavinia]

If it weren't for that ridiculous Wes/Fred romance and her drawn out death scene, I wouldn't have been bored by Fred's death.

[Feigenbaum]

My, you're pretty harsh Lady.

They needed to make Fred's death be a long process, remember her organs were slowly being liquified to make room for Illyria. That is what made Fred's death so dramatic, because she was being destroyed, and it wasn't fast. It was painful and slow.

Plus, an amazing acting job by Amy. It was a different side, especially the end.

And call me sucker, but I love the Wed/Fred romance, especially at the end of Fred's life, because it was romantic (except for that sad part with Fred dying and all)

[Lindseyiswicked]

It may not be the worst death ever but it is pretty horrid because
Jenny Callender-Will see Giles in Heaven
Tara-Will see Willow in heaven

ect, ect, many of these deaths weren't as bad because as much as there friends would miss them they will see them again but in Fred's case her soul was gone. It was destroyed and rotted therefore while Wesley goes to heaven in will most likly seem like hell because even there he will never see his true love again. Plus Fred's death was quite slow as compared to that of Jenny and Tara.

I mean I've cried over near every death from Cordy's to jenny's and Tara's. As well as Wesley's, Lindsey's, and almost every other but Fred's was one of the most heartbreaking with the fact her soul was being destroyed and the tearjerking final moments with Wesley

[LadyLavinia]

It may not be the worst death ever but it is pretty horrid because
Jenny Callender-Will see Giles in Heaven
Tara-Will see Willow in heaven

ect, ect, many of these deaths weren't as bad because as much as there friends would miss them they will see them again but in Fred's case her soul was gone. It was destroyed and rotted therefore while Wesley goes to heaven in will most likly seem like hell because even there he will never see his true love again. Plus Fred's death was quite slow as compared to that of Jenny and Tara.

I mean I've cried over near every death from Cordy's to jenny's and Tara's. As well as Wesley's, Lindsey's, and almost every other but Fred's was one of the most heartbreaking with the fact her soul was being destroyed and the tearjerking final moments with Wesley

What if there is no such thing as heaven or hell?

That "tearjerking" scene with Wesley was such a bore that I found myself wishing that Fred had died a lot faster. Just as well, since her romance with Wesley was such a bore.

[Spuffy57]

i think the worst deaths were Fred's because she had to suffer and Jenny's death was pretty bad, but i felt worse for Giles then for Jenny

[Lindseyiswicked]

What if there is no such thing as heaven or hell?

That "tearjerking" scene with Wesley was such a bore that I found myself wishing that Fred had died a lot faster. Just as well, since her romance with Wesley was such a bore.

We know there is Heaven and Hell as characters have been there before!!

And everyone is intitled to there on opinions about characters and relationships, personally I find a Hole in the world one of the saddest episodes in Angel

[Spuffy57]

That "tearjerking" scene with Wesley was such a bore that I found myself wishing that Fred had died a lot faster. Just as well, since her romance with Wesley was such a bore.
What? that scene was not boring! it was so touching!!

[SpikedBuffy]

Absolutely, Fred's death was a heartbreaking and sorrowful event. Her death rates pretty high on the 'worst death ever' scale. I agree with others who have stated the her death was horrible because she has no chance at an 'afterlife' or to live again in Heaven. As said, Fred's soul was destroyed while resurrecting Illyria. She became exactly as she was a called... a shell. Without the sould, there was not a chance for Fred to be resurrected or be praised as an angel in Heaven.

That is what makes it terrible.

and~ I am also a fred/wes shipper. Their relationship was naive and just beginning. It would've lasted a long time if given the chance.

[Feigenbaum]

The scene was very touching where Wesley took care of Fred at her home, hours/minutes before she turned into Illyria. I thought I took great talent to play those roles by the actors. I am always amazed each and every time I watch it.

[destructo_girl]

I was really sad when Fred died cause she is my favorite angel character. I just think she's really sweet. hehe. I thought she was cool playing Illyria too though. I think the sickest thing was when her and Wesley were finally happy being together and she was singing to wes on the stairs and then she just passed out, it was pretty scary.. It seems that whenever a Buffy/angel character are about to receive happiness they either die or it goes wrong..

[Willowfan4life]

Freds death wasn't the worst but i was extremly sad

[postmortem]

Joyce's death was the worst death ever. She died alone, which is my worst nightmare.

[Bored of the Dead]

Joyce's death was the worst death ever. She died alone, which is my worst nightmare.

What would you prefer.
Heart Attack at a theme park on a busy Sunday?
Gun Shot wound at Mardi Gras?
Chronic Diahorreah at a football match?

Personally, i think to die alone is the best way. Saves you having to look at people you probably don't like but have to put up with.

[postmortem]

What would you prefer.
Heart Attack at a theme park on a busy Sunday?
Gun Shot wound at Mardi Gras?
Chronic Diahorreah at a football match?

Personally, i think to die alone is the best way. Saves you having to look at people you probably don't like but have to put up with.


I'd prefer not to die alone but of course I'm quite aware of the fact that I do not have a choice in this. Neverthless, I do not want.

[TheCalling]

I don't think Fred is truly gone..........like Illyria, Fred maybe has an essence...........if her soul was destroyed, wouldn't there be an essence? Why not?

[Wicca-Who-Wont-a]

i think it was one of the worst deaths, and what made it so hard to watch was the flash backs to fred with her family before moving to L.a, i think one of the reasons wesley found it so hard was because he had wanted to be with fred for so long, and now that they were finally together she gets murdered by a demon, something wesley was brought up to fight and hate, who walks around in the body of the woman he loved.

[angel-is-hot]

I think the worst death was buffy at the end of season five, or spike at the end of season seven, they were the only ones i actually creid for.

[goodquestion52]

Freds death was dramatic to say the least, not only did it have Alexis Denisof and Amy Acker working in what I call the 'zone' but it had all the characters working to save her.
Her death sent a ripple effect throughout the gang, (Gunn had an epiphany, Wes went all angsty etc.) which I felt made Illyria's character much more easier to accept. If they had just killed her outright people would have rejected Illyria, but it was slow and painfull and beautifully done, every member of the cast brought their A-Game and it payed off by giving one of the most gripping and emotional death scenes EVER.

[palabravampiress]

From Scene 34:

FRED
(chokes on her coughs, crying)
I need you to talk to my parents. They have to know I wasn't scared, that it was quick. That I wasn't scared.
(starts convulsing)
Oh, God.

WESLEY
(grabs her, looks into her eyes)
You have to fight. You don't have to talk, just concentrate on fighting. Just hold on.

FRED
(holding onto Wes's shoulders, looks into his eyes, quivering)
I'm not scared. I'm not scared. I'm not scared.
(her grip softens, she can't hold herself up)
Please, Wesley, why can't I stay?
(she goes still as Wes holds her in his arms)




How can anyone say this is cheesy or boring? This is one of the best death scenes I've ever seen.

It's TV, so the acting and cinematography and editing and art design and wardrobe and makeup and a million other things all come into play. But the dialogue is very powerful. A woman is dying. There's nothing she can do to stop it. And she's trying her damndest to face it bravely and with dignity. In the end, it's the repetition of the line "I'm not scared" that gets me. The lines in which she asks Wesley to lie to her parents and say it was an easy death are striking for their selflessness. The last line, "Why can't I stay?" is powerful, too, because don't we all wonder why we have to die? But the repetition of "I'm not scared" is the line that made me weep.

That line, for me, captured the tragedy of death: the fact that it robs us of our bravery and our dignity when we need it most. She was scared, but she was desperately trying to assert that she wasn't. Earlier in the episode, she said, "I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that!" We all go out scared and alone. It's never right. It's never fair. It's never just the way you'd like it to be. Half the time, the method isn't even worthy of who you are as a person. It's dehumanizing. I really admired the writing in this scene for its simplicity. Whedon didn't go in for elaborate deathbed speeches. Instead, he just had a woman go out while trying to be brave.

"Worst" as in hardest? That gets tied with Joyce for me. "Worst" as in poorly written or acted or filmed? No way!

[Keanoite]

I agree that Fred's death was hurrendous but I think Angel's death was the worst. His worst nightmare was the demon coming back and regaining control and just when he reclaims his body his soulmate has to send him to hell, where on top of all the horrors he has to face there he has all the stuff Angelus did in Sunnydale. Like evryone said, wesley was wrecked by Fred's death, he couldn't move on, well either could Buffy. She was an absolute mess untill Angel was returned from hell and may have stayed that way if he stayed dead.

[rickmaniac]

I think that Fred's death was indeed the worst death. Not the worst written, but the hardest to handle (other than Wes, but thats a whole other can 'o worms lol). What she was saying as she lay dying in her lover's arms was beautiful. I completely agree with Palabravampiress - how emotional it was for us to hear her repeat over and over again "I'm not scared" and to hear the final "Why can't I stay?". Alexis and Amy were fantabulous in that scene.
I think that this death was especially hard because the team knew it was coming and were trying to stop it but they couldnt. Angel couldnt sacrifice thousands to save her, Gunn played a huge role in her death...... She was also a ray of sunshine for the whole group - the one, at least to me, that seemed to be the least corrupted from W&H. Then, to have a physical reminder of her in your face, day after day would be absolute torture. How can one move on when the body of a loved one is right in front of you?

[ILLYRIAN]

Ah, the memories of a person, so that the person can be kept alive.
Illyria and Fred ? What about when one identical twin dies ?

[rickmaniac]

Well, when one twin dies, it is tragic and difficult. But as for the body walking around - you have the knowledge that that body isn't the body of the deceased loved one. With Fred, Illyria IS Fred's body. That IS technically Fred wandering around, just without Fred's essence inside of it. To me, that would be all the more difficult.

[Aussie]

I think rickmaniac has a good point. I agree it would be insanely hard to see the body/shell of a person everyday and know that they are not actually there. And to see this 'shell' hurt other people you care about would also make it difficult. I thought the scene of fred dying was incredibly powerful, Like palabravampiress said. Definatly well written and well acted in my opinion.

I was also moved by Angels death in season 2 BTVS, it was so sad that Buffy had to kill him, she hardly hesitated even thought it would have been incredibly difficult for her. She knew what was in store for the love of her life.

SMG acting in ''The Body" was what made the death of Joyce so real to me. The camera work and lack of music etc was fantastic and eerie. It made it feel really real and kinda hits close to home. I could imagine myself in that situation - finding a loved one dead, but the others, although moving, were not something I could geniunly think - Hey, that could happen to me. (stabbing a the vamp I love... they are kinda hard to find!)

The gift made me cry, it is one of my favorite scenes.

Taras death didnt 'hit' me like the others, I suppose the focus went off her death to evil willow very quickly. I felt more sorry for Dawn finding her.

To sum up - think that Fred death scene was the best (or worse depends on the way you look at it). It was moving, sad and scary all at the same time. I felt a huge range of emotions, similar to what the characters would have felt I would imagine. It wasnt just a death scene on TV.

[LadyLavinia]

I think that Fred's death was indeed the worst death. Not the worst written, but the hardest to handle (other than Wes, but thats a whole other can 'o worms lol).

I also believed that Fred's death was the worst. Not because it was the hardest for me to handle or dealing with Wes' reaction. It was the worst to me, because it bored the pants off me and I found myself begging for her to bite the dust.

[white avenger]

To me, the biggest difference between the deaths of Fred and Joyce was that Joyce's death was quick and happened entirely off screen, and such a total surprise (I know she was sick before, but we were led to believe that her surgery had been successful), that all we saw of it was the aftermath in the reactions of her family and friends. That was bad enough, but we were shielded from the actual death itself.

With Fred, we saw the whole drawn out process of dying, the frantic efforts, futile as it turns out, of her friends, with the vast resources at their command, being ultimately utterly helpless to overcome the inevitability of it. We se Fred whimper, "I don't want to die!" and Wesley's grief in losing a love that had just been granted to him.

Both deaths are tragic in their presentation, but my sympathies go more to the friends of fred, because there is never any ultimate closure. They are constantly confronted with Fred in the form of Illyria, even going so far as to have the hell god be able to morph back into the woman they all loved. That must have been the most painful element in Fred's death.

The saddest part about Wesley's death to me was "Fred" assuring him that they would mow be together after asking if she should "lie to him." That was heart breaking, even for a cynical old ex-sailor like me.

[Vicariously]

the worst one for me to handle was Joyce's death. Probally because my best friend had just suddenly passed away right before I saw it and Joyce had gotten "better" and then well, she just died! Kinda like Heather, she had gotten better and then BAM she was gone! No one expected it...if she would have passed when she was sick well then... yeah...I can't really talk about that now can I...but the way they filmed "the body" was just...WOW thinking aobut it I am tearing up. I of course cried when Buffy killed angle, and I bawled when buffy killed her self, I felt so much pride when Spike died saving the world that while I cried I smiled.

Joyce's death was just....well I hated it!

[Winifred Wyndham-Pryce]

IMHO Fred's death had me bawling my eyes out the first time I saw it. It keeps doing the same every time.

She was such a great character and while I did like Illyria, I was sad that Fred was gone. It hit me worse than any other death in the Buffy/Angel universe.

[LorneyTunes]

Freds death is so sad and then wesley , kinda sucky that Cordy didn't get a big send off tho x

[littlewilly]

I loved Fred and her death was shocking. In fact, that bit when she's singing to Wes 'You are my sunshine....'' and she collapses, shocker.
Illyrias arrival spoiled it all completly though >:(

[Fake Shemp]

tara, no joyce, no jenny.... no vamp willow getting dusted by oz.... oh buffy in 'the gift'....... aaahhhh my head i dunno..... this show makes me cry a lot

[XtheVIRGINgirlX]

In my opinion Fred's death was deffinetly the worst.
She has been and always will be my favorite character so it was obviously going to really get me. But the way in which they killed her off was so horrible. I was just hoping and preying that they were going to make her well again.
It was just so sad because I'd always been a big Wes/Fred fan and they finally got together and it made me so, so happy and then suddenly this all happens. Totally heartbreaking.
I cry everytime I see it.


But then I also always cry everytime I see Joyces, Taras, Buffys (2nd), Jennys and Angels deaths but Fred's gets me the worst.

[Veyron]

For me, Fred's death was one of the saddest moments I've ever witnessed in any TV show, I don't think it was drawn out or boring. It was definitely sad though.

When Wesley died I think that Illyria learnt something about humans and their emotions, whether she understood it or not is a different matter of course, but her asking Wesley if he'd like her to lie to him was the sweetest thing I've ever seen, truly a heart-rending moment.

[hannahfngrl26]

I don't agree. Probably because Fred's death bored me to tears.

OMG how can you say that. Considering the deaths that have occured I have to say that hers was one of the worst for me. It kind of goes like this for me.

1. Buffy
2. When Buffy kills Angel
3. Fred in Wesleys arms
4. Cordelia
5. Joyce
6. Tara
7. Doyle
8. Spike

[Ellyce]

Worst Deaths:

1. Buffy ("The Gift")
2. Tara
3. Cordelia
4. Spike
5. Fred
6. Doyle
7. Joyce
8. Jenny
9. Angel

[Airam]

For me personally I'd have to say Cordy's was the worst just because she didn't even get to be herself for so long before she died, and no, You're Welcome is not enough of a compensation for me. Yeah she got to come back for a day pretty much to just have thrown in her face exactly what she couldn't stay for, at no fault of her her own, she got a bum deal and I am still SO bitter about it!

Fred's was awful, it was so sudden and she didn't deserve it either and completely broke my heart it broke my heart, but man do I love Illyria! I think it was so hard for Wes and he clung on so hard and was unable to move on because whatever relationship he could've had with Fred was ripped from him before it really started, its tragic :(

[charmingslayer]

Tara,Jenny,Cordy,And Fred

Is'nt it just sad to think every original member from AI is dead except Angel

[hannahfngrl26]

Okay so I am huge softie especially when it comes to deaths in the Buffy/Angel universe. We could talk about them all and I guarantee they all made me cry. For some reason Anyanka's fake death is bothering me right now the most. That episode is so freakin sad. I always cry when it shows her singing her song when Xander is all sleeping in the chair. Okay so lets talk about Fred for a moment. Her death is by far the worst in regards to the havoc it reigns on the team. We had to watch her slowly and painfully die and then this other being takes over her body and she looks like her but she is not her. I do not blame Wesley at all for how hard it was on him considering how much he loved Fred.

[Five]

Okay. So. That's hard.

1. Fred. It was a tie with Joyce and Tara, but I was so more attached to Fred that it hit me. "hit me" - hit me. I was so sad. For days. It just represented all the unfairness in the world imo. It really hit me. Yeah I needed to say it once more! ^^
2. Tara. "Your shirt..." OMG she does not even REALIZE she's dying, and bam, here she is, dead. When Tara and Willow were together again, at last, and... Oh no.
3. Joyce. Let me be clear. "The Body" is imo the best Buffy episode ever. Everything about it is perfect in a cruel way. We can all relate because we have or will lose our mother one day. And personnally I've been in Anya's position when three years ago, a friend's mother suddenly died.
4. Anya. Just like that. No sudden luck in the fights like what always happened to Xander in the seven Buffy years (well except the eye gouging thingy of course.). You're not even sure it happened. She won't stand. She's gone.
5. Angel in "Becoming". One of the greatest Buffy episodes. Can you IMAGINE having to do what Buffy just did?
6. Buffy in "The Gift". "Be brave... Live... For me". Need I say more?
7. Cordelia. I really thought she wasn't dead. And the fact that noone seems to f***ing CARE is what gets me the most. Though the phonecall part is so heartbreaking.
8. Doyle. It let me really uncomfortable.
9. Jenny. Oh the part when Willow and Buffy learn the news... And it's so scary for her when she just runs and runs and... here he is. Argh.
10. Renée. More for the "huh, what, AGAIN?" part.