Oz or Tara for Willow?

[Nighthawk]

Lets not make this a gay/straight issues, but which relationship do you think was better for whatever reason?

I've never given this much though I just realized how hard a choice this is... I like them both... But I think I'll go with Tara. Willow was a bit older when she was with her so it wasn't very puppy love-ish.

You?

[VisionGuy]

I'd have to agree and say Tara. They had a very deep connection and they were obviously very much in love. Oz and Willow were really good too but they weren't as strong as Willow and Tara. I mean they both did cheat on each other.

[Nighthawk]

lol yeah I didn't even put into consideration that fact that they both cheated on each other.

[Angels baby101]

I liked both the W/O relationship and the W/T relationship I mean i think they both had there strong and weak points, i loved the Willow and Oz relationship more though i mean he was her first... first alot of things. First real love, she gave him alot of her firsts... They were sweet together, I mean yeah they cheated on each other but they worked it out for the most part... Oz left not because he cheated on willow they would have worked it out. But because he left she had to move on. Thats how i see it... but like i said i loved the W/T relationship too...

[THE BLUE]

I liked Oz, he was cool and all...

[doppelgänger]

Oz and Willow were sweet when they were together, but I definitely like Willow and Tara better. They're sort of... hotter.

[watcher1006]

I've never given this much though I just realized how hard a choice this is... I like them both... But I think I'll go with Tara. Willow was a bit older when she was with her so it wasn't very puppy love-ish.
It wasn't puppy love in a BIG way. The Willow-Tara relationship may have been deeper, but there was a lot of gravity to it too, a lot of destructiveness as well as beauty. Willow and Oz may have cheated on each other, but Willow never bent Oz's mind to her liking, as Willow did in Season 6. And high school Willow destroying the world because of her pain at losing Oz? Granted she did wreak some havoc, among her friends in S4 "Something Blue" after Oz left her, but it was nothing like her rampage at the end of Season 6 when Tara was killed.

So no, I really can't compare the two to say which one was better, because the two relationships were so different.

[Witchy Willow]

Well, I liked both of the relationships. I couldn't pick either because both helped her to mature and change her (for the better). Both relationships really helped her to become what she is.

[master kenobi]

willow and tara, because there realationship was pure....they loved eachother and they both knew it. they showed it to eachother....little looks...slightest of toutches....( what you see?.....willow hands....) :D they were the best couple in buffy.

[eponinethen]

Oz and Willow were sweet when they were together, but I definitely like Willow and Tara better. They're sort of... hotter.
See, this is what I don't get... sort of?


Hmmm ;)

[master kenobi]

yeah....so you like willow and tara bit willow and oz too or ? :)

[Willowfan4life]

i liked oz with willow but i liked the willow/tara realtionship cuz she grew up from her dorky personality even tho oz did help with it too but tara was the big changer. Willow/Tara ROCK

[Helpless]

I'm going to say Tara. They seemed for happy together and they had high maturity levels which makes it a heck of alot better. Im staying strong saying that Tillow or Wara is the best couple.

[postmortem]

Have to go with Oz here. He was cool, confidant, and their chemistry was pure fire.

[SlayersDestiny]

I have to go with Willow and Tara. Oz was great but he was still searching for who he was. IMO he was never able to commit to Willow the same way that Tara did. They both loved Willow but Tara bought more to the relationship and made Willow a more confident person.

[master kenobi]

there was alot of jealousy in willow and oz relationship... ( willow and xander- oz and erm...wolf lady...why cant i remember her name.....) but with willow and tara all they were was all for each other :) true love. just slight magic problem... lol :)

[CrazyMary]

i like oz but tara was definitely the best for willow.their relationship was pure,strong and deep...willow knew that she was really lucky for having tara and when tara died she knew what she had lost.

[Wanabee-slayer]

Okay see that's a tough one I believe Oz was truly the best thing that happened to Willow he allowed her to come out of her shell and expand as a person he also taught her to love. But at the same time I think Willow really loved Tara more then Oz. I don't think that either one of them wasn't meant to be with her I think they were both good for her when they were around so you can't actually pick. I think that once Tara had died Willow would eventually go back to Oz. I don't think she was a fully fledged lesbian after Tara I think she was more if she loved someone she'd go for it I don't think she looked at gender but anyway that's what I think.

[Cordelia Chase*]

I love OZ! And when I say love, I mean love!

But I'd have to go with Tara. I t was just something about her.
That's why I was totally pissed when she died.

Tara and Willow made a bigger impact on me than Oz and Willow.

[Moon Wolf]

definately oz. i know willow was older when she met tara, but her and oz's love was more powerful. they were perfect for each other; they balanced each other out. most importantly, their relationship sprung from friendship. they were comfortable with each other and it wasnt all about passion, like willow and tara's relationship.

and so what if they cheated on each other? they went through more trials but they survived through them. oz forgave willow for the xander fluke and willow forgave him for the veruca thing. never once did they leave each other for good like tara left willow - and that was mostly because she was scared. willow and oz's love was never forced - did you ever see willow hypnotizing oz into forgetting an argument?

plus, we all saw what happened to willow when oz left. the only reason she went dark willow after tara's death was because her magic obsession was already rising to an explosion point. had oz died i doubt even xander would've been able to stop willow.

so all in all, i say willoz was the best relationship. and i cling to the dream that they'll reunite sometime when willow's travelling the world - but that's just me.

[Edmund Blackadder]

definately oz. i know willow was older when she met tara, but her and oz's love was more powerful. they were perfect for each other; they balanced each other out. most importantly, their relationship sprung from friendship. they were comfortable with each other and it wasnt all about passion, like willow and tara's relationship.

Erm have you actually seen these relationships?

Tara balanced Willow, she balanced her perfectly, there was trueness to that relationship that she never attained with Oz. This relationship brought both people out to who they actually were, allowing them to be who they hadit in them to be.
Thats not saying Oz didn't play his part in Willows confidence building, but Buffy, Xander, Giles and even Angel helped in that department too.
Tara and Willow didn't grow from a lust, it grew from an understanding, a friendship a true love, and yes there was passion in there too.
It wasn't all about that though, but you need it in a relationship. Oz was physically attracted to Willow the moment he saw her, Willow was interested in the guy who was interested in her, yes something grew from it, but when its THE one, you know in your heart instantly, and when you watch 'Hush' again, you can see this instant connection Tara and Willow exhibit.


and so what if they cheated on each other? they went through more trials but they survived through them. oz forgave willow for the xander fluke and willow forgave him for the veruca thing. never once did they leave each other for good like tara left willow - and that was mostly because she was scared. willow and oz's love was never forced - did you ever see willow hypnotizing oz into forgetting an argument?


Also, 'so what if they cheated on each other?', erm fact is you cheat because someone else gives you something that your partner can't give you, A Year into their relationship, Willow was off fooling around, then a year later, Oz placed himself into a position similar without any worry/concern for the consequences. These two did love no doubt, but they weren't, can't have been life long because they showed an obvious need outside of each other that was unhealthy.
Also, 'never once did they leave each other for good like tara left willow' hmm, this maybe me forgetting certain things, but didn't Oz and Willow break up, then didn't her return and she chose Tara, followed by her and Tara breaking up that led to them reconciling because they really did love each other? Yeah i may have the facts wrong on that one, but i've only watched the shows so i could be wrong;)
Fact is, Oz and Willow did break up, Oz DID leave Willow which helped her realize what she wanted from life. She may have still had love in her heart for Oz, but she didn't choose him, she chose Tara.
Your argument regarding the 'Lethe Bramble' bit is flawed because of the addiction.
You always hurt the ones you love, Willow was spiraling out of control with this addiction, it didn't mean she loved Tara any less, it means that the lure of power was so strong nothing could tame her.
Had she been with Oz at the time, she would have done the same. Remember that spell isnt the first thing that sends her on the path of the dark magics, infact one of the first things that really does is when Tara is attacked by Glory.
So yes we didn't see Willow cast a spell on Oz, we saw her cheat on him.

plus, we all saw what happened to willow when oz left. the only reason she went dark willow after tara's death was because her magic obsession was already rising to an explosion point. had oz died i doubt even xander would've been able to stop willow.
Yes we saw she was hurting and upset, when Oz left, but to just brush away the death of Tara as the fall into darkness is ignorant of the facts.
The addiction to the magics was strong, infact Sam tells WIllow she's never seen anyone beat this addiction, but one thing is her rock, one thing is her reason to fight, and that is Tara. When she loses that, she allows the Dark to over take her because she has no reason to be, Tara's death is infact the thing that breaks her, but she was not near 'explosion point' infact Willow was doing an excellent job controlling the power inside, with and without Tara in her life, as long as she was still there, there was still hope. When that died, so did her chance.
And as for that comment 'Had Oz died yadda yadda yadda' you really can't base that on any factual evidence, that is pure speculation based on biased viewing. I'm not saying Ozs death wouldn't have turned her to the dark, but to say it would have been complete, thats bogus...remember, Willow made a decision a few weeks into her relationship with Tara(it was only a few epsidoes) she chose her over Oz. Oz was offering her everything, and she chose Tara. There was no ultimatum, Oz was planning to go back to Sunnydale, but she chose Tara.
So all this hockum that Tara was less important to Willow than Oz, needs someone to review both relationships:)

so all in all, i say willoz was the best relationship. and i cling to the dream that they'll reunite sometime when willow's travelling the world - but that's just me.
Honestly as long as she ain't with Kennedy i don't mind, infact i did like Ox and his relationship with Willow was sweet(not a love of the century but sweet) but Willow is Gay, the evidence is there, both in the show and from the mouths of the people who create her.

[ParadoXeX]

I would prefer Oz, but maybe Willow's relationship with Tara was deeper. I still can't believe that Will is lesbian.
Can you guys please tell me in which episode is said that Willow is a lesbian? :)

[Edmund Blackadder]

I would prefer Oz, but maybe Willow's relationship with Tara was deeper. I still can't believe that Will is lesbian.
Can you guys please tell me in which episode is said that Willow is a lesbian? :)

Umm, Triangle - 'Hello, Gay Now!'
Willow says this to show to Anya that she is not a threat to hers and Xanders relationship.

Umm, also see Him - if she was not Gay, then why would it be such an issue that the boy was actually a boy?
If she was even contemplating bisexuality, she would have gritted her teeth for him as she believed it was 'true love'.

and lest we forget this very telling conversation between Tara and Willow in 'Tough Love'
WILLOW: D-don't you trust me?
TARA: With my life.
WILLOW: That's not what I mean.
TARA: Can't we just go to the fair?
WILLOW: I don't feel real multicultural right now. (stands up) Wh ... what is it about me that you don't trust?
TARA: It's not that. I worry, sometimes. You're, you're changing so much, so fast. I don't know where you're heading.
WILLOW: Where I'm heading?
TARA: I'm saying everything wrong.
WILLOW: No, I think you're being pretty clear. This isn't about the witchcraft. It's about the other changes in my life.
TARA: I trust you. I just ... (looks down) I don't know where I'm gonna fit in ... in your life when...
WILLOW: When ... I change back? Yeah, this is a college thing, just a, a little experimentation before I get over the thrill and head back to boys' town.

Pause.

WILLOW: You think that?
TARA: Should I?
WILLOW: I'm really sorry that I didn't establish my lesbo street cred before I got into this relationship. You're the only woman I've ever fallen in love with, so ... how on earth could you ever take me seriously?

She walks toward the door.

TARA: Willow, please!
WILLOW: Have fun at the fair


It doesnt exactly say the words 'I am a Lesbian' but it is pretty clear that in seasons 5 and 7, so 6 can be reliably assumed too, that Willow is in the mind set of being lesbian.
Plus Joss Whedon stated that she was infact Gay now as fans were thinking it was just a phase(can someone give that reference be it online source of DVD commentary:) )

[master kenobi]

she wasnt angry in my opinion, but man when she is.... god shes hot.... id love to just.... oh sorry must be a diffrent type of "lesbo" ;)

well after tara, she was in fact with kennady.... and she did say to anya " hello gay now" proclaiming she was and is in fact gay.

[TabulaRasa]

I love Tara and Willow, Oz is cool, but the love between T/W is pure. I love in season 7 'HIM' and Buffy says..."Willow, you're a gay woman" Haha, that makes me laugh. And she was willing to turn him into a woman, if she was not a full on lesbian I think she would have taken him as is.

[Charmed Jon]

I would have to say Tara. Of course it has to be Tara. I mean, IMO, Tara was her true love. Also, I tuned in with 'Hush' so I have always been routing for them. :D.

[SARArb]

I liked oz, but he was boring! Willow and tara.... i don't know, but i liked it! Tara was the only one that she really loved! :)

[GATEGOD]

Oz, no doubt, the moment Willow met Tara, everything fell to pieces from that point on Willow changed.
I don't see any spark's with Tara/Willow...none at all... I don't know why but i see anything.
Oz/Willow were cute and fun and Happy. Tara/Willow was weird, cute, needy, and angry.
Willow with her evil little spells, lol it is funny that they both leave Willow... More so sad though.
Still Tara had more of a reason to leave Willow, she was using magic on her and wouldn't stop!
Still I don't think she would have done that to Oz, she was going to once, but she didn't.
I Don't know if that means she loved which one of them more or something, but i still prefer Oz.
He was much better for her.

[Wiccaness]

Oz, no doubt, the moment Willow met Tara, everything fell to pieces from that point on Willow changed.
I don't see any spark's with Tara/Willow...none at all... I don't know why but i see anything.
Oz/Willow were cute and fun and Happy. Tara/Willow was weird, cute, needy, and angry.
Willow with her evil little spells, lol it is funny that they both leave Willow... More so sad though.
Still Tara had more of a reason to leave Willow, she was using magic on her and wouldn't stop!
Still I don't think she would have done that to Oz, she was going to once, but she didn't.
I Don't know if that means she loved which one of them more or something, but i still prefer Oz.
He was much better for her.



i knew you where going to put something like this lol




I pick Tara for her. Oz and Willow were nice and all but in a high school sort of way

I liked the relationship that Willow an Tara had better because at the time they were both older,and more mature, and it was something real. they found each other and fell in love.
Willow wasn't looking for Tara, and Tara most likely wasn't looking for Willow.they were cute together. and truly loved each other. Tara completed Willow and Willow completed Tara on so many different stages. They both made each other, more confident, stronger, and more loving. I think they represented a more real relationship then oz and Willow did.

[GATEGOD]

i knew you where going to put something like this lol




I pick Tara for her. Oz and Willow were nice and all but in a high school sort of way

I liked the relationship that Willow an Tara had better because at the time they were both older,and more mature, and it was something real. they found each other and fell in love.
Willow wasn't looking for Tara, and Tara most likely wasn't looking for Willow.they were cute together. and truly loved each other. Tara completed Willow and Willow completed Tara on so many different stages. They both made each other, more confident, stronger, and more loving. I think they represented a more real relationship then oz and Willow did.


That's hilarious, because Oz loved Willow, and Willow's weeks of agonizing pain afterwards showed she loved him too.
Obviously it was a highschool relationship because they were in high school... then they went to college, and still loved each other.
Right now Willow has screwed tara/willow relationship and couldn't even go one week without magic for the person you think she loved...
Right, there is no way she loved Tara more, and I only posted this because I think Oz was better for her. Tara was just as bad an influence as Amy became.

[Wiccaness]

That's hilarious, because Oz loved Willow, and Willow's weeks of agonizing pain afterwards showed she loved him too.
Obviously it was a highschool relationship because they were in high school... then they went to college, and still loved each other.
Right now Willow has screwed tara/willow relationship and couldn't even go one week without magic for the person you think she loved...
Right, there is no way she loved Tara more, and I only posted this because I think Oz was better for her. Tara was just as bad an influence as Amy became.


Do you seriously want to argue with me again, i thought we had agreed that we both had strong apposing opinions.

And i ment high school, as in not really a relationship that serious.


Willow's weeks of agonizing pain afterwards showed she loved him too.

Does that mean that she loved Tara more since she was about to destroy the world?

And Tara wasnt a bad influence, she tried to help Willow with the magics, that would be why she left her. Once Willow got better, she came back to her.

[GATEGOD]

Do you seriously want to argue with me again, i thought we had agreed that we both had strong apposing opinions.

And i ment high school, as in not really a relationship that serious.



Does that mean that she loved Tara more since she was about to destroy the world?

And Tara wasnt a bad influence, she tried to help Willow with the magics, that would be why she left her. Once Willow got better, she came back to her.

haha, you are funny, this isn't a serious relationship:

W: Oz, don't you love me?
O: My whole life, I've never loved anything else.

Your opinion this time is wrong, Oz/Willow was a real relationship, to both of them.
And if that's the reason Tara is better for Willow then that is stupid, so if Oz came back now you'd pick him...
Helping Willow with magics is what got Willow into her 'addiction' in the first place.
Oz came back to, could you imagine if he came back after willow stopped being crazy willow.
That would have made for an amazing relationship :) haha

[Wiccaness]

haha, you are funny, this isn't a serious relationship:

W: Oz, don't you love me?
O: My whole life, I've never loved anything else.

Your opinion this time is wrong, Oz/Willow was a real relationship, to both of them.
And if that's the reason Tara is better for Willow then that is stupid, so if Oz came back now you'd pick him...
Helping Willow with magics is what got Willow into her 'addiction' in the first place.
Oz came back to, could you imagine if he came back after willow stopped being crazy willow.
That would have made for an amazing relationship :) haha

i meant it wasnt as serious as Willows and Taras relationship, probably should have said that before.....But do you want me to go look for all the quotes that show Willows and Taras relationship was serious.....

Tara didnt help Willow get addicted, if anything i thing she slowed something that would have had happened anyways... Willow started using magic with out knowing anything about in high school, so later on she still didnt know not to mess with dark magic...Tara tried explaining to her, to help her but it was to late.


Dont bother replying, unless its something i feel like i really need to explain again, i wont reply, we already went through this remember.

[GATEGOD]

i meant it wasnt as serious as Willows and Taras relationship, probably should have said that before.....But do you want me to go look for all the quotes that show Willows and Taras relationship was serious.....

Tara didnt help Willow get addicted, if anything i thing she slowed something that would have had happened anyways... Willow started using magic with out knowing anything about in high school, so later on she still didnt know not to mess with dark magic...Tara tried explaining to her, to help her but it was to late.


Dont bother replying, unless its something i feel like i really need to explain again, i wont reply, we already went through this remember.
lol I'll reply anyway, you can stop though ^_^
Oz/Willow was just as serious as Tara/Willow

[ShyTara]

Willow and Tara did have a better relationship. I mean atleast Tara never Cheated on Willow! Willow and Tara's relationship had its up's and down's. But they loved each other. I mean Willow tryed to blow up the whole freaking world cause Tara was killed plus Killed Warren and did a damn good job of it may i add. Tara and Willow was true love 6 ways till sunday Tara Wins.. lol

[GATEGOD]

Willow and Tara did have a better relationship. I mean atleast Tara never Cheated on Willow! Willow and Tara's relationship had its up's and down's. But they loved each other. I mean Willow tryed to blow up the whole freaking world cause Tara was killed plus Killed Warren and did a damn good job of it may i add. Tara and Willow was true love 6 ways till sunday Tara Wins.. lol

no, I'm pretty sure Oz wins, he's still alive ! ;) lol kidding of course ;)
He wins because Oz loved Willow and vice versa.
If she stayed with Oz and still became super witch,(which she wouldn't have)
Then if Oz died... she would have done the same exact thing.
yada yada yada Oz was great Tara wasn't, too boring, while Oz had his cool quiet factor.
I doubt you'll see reason and I fear that day may never come but I can still try!
Oz in Wild at Heart loved Willow, throughout the episode he was trying not to hurt her.
Just because he failed doesn't mean you can degrade his wonderful character. He loved Willow!
Oz didn't cheat on Willow! he became a werewolf which he can't control and had wolf love with the weirdo.
And he only did this in an attempt to stop her from hurting others and getting hurt herself!
Stop saying he cheated on Willow! He didn't! Willow may see it that way but that's not the case!
He was trying to help the evil Veruca it is not like he really wanted to leave Willow for her!
:: vampire

[Wiccaness]

and here i was feeling especial, thinking i was the only one you argued with about Willow/tara/oz


Just because he failed doesn't mean you can degrade his wonderful character.

ok you do know that by saying that, it kinda makes you seem like a hypocrite, you just did that to taras character.



Oz didn't cheat on Willow! he became a werewolf which he can't control and had wolf love with the weirdo.
And he only did this in an attempt to stop her from hurting others and getting hurt herself!


as i recall the ep. he pulls her into the gate, so she wouldnt hurt any one once the sun set and she turned all wolfy....so far i see how he was trying to help


theres just one itty bitty detail missing in that....he pulled her in the cage, into a KISS. Why would he need to kiss her....thats the cheating part,
wouldnt you consider it cheating if the person you love tells you, "im sorry i kissed them but if i hadnt then they would have....______(enter excuse of something bad they would have done, robbed a bank, killed them selves...etc....theres always other ways to help)

and why not kill veruca as a wolf in the cage it was just the two of them,....why do till after, i think part of him still knows whats going on as the wolf, just like he can still smell like a wolf as a human.

[Rowan Hawthorn]

And let's not forget: Oz could (and should) have told Buffy and the gang about Veruca as soon as he knew. Oz isn't alone in the group, they've all made mistakes, but this one was his mistake, not Willow's, anybody else's. About the only rational excuse that can be made for his decision is that he was under tremendous stresses at the time; even claiming that he was under the wolf's influence is tenuous at best, as he called Veruca there to his cage (before sundown) specifically with the intent of locking her in. He can claim he was protecting others, but filling Buffy in would have been a better way of doing that; and he can claim he was protecting Veruca, but he was well aware that Buffy and the others wouldn't have been inclined to kill her off-hand, for the same reason that they not only didn't kill him during "Phases," they actively protected him from the werewolf hunter who wanted him for a trophy - and that was before they knew he was the wolf.

[GATEGOD]

and here i was feeling especial, thinking i was the only one you argued with about Willow/tara/oz



ok you do know that by saying that, it kinda makes you seem like a hypocrite, you just did that to taras character.





as i recall the ep. he pulls her into the gate, so she wouldnt hurt any one once the sun set and she turned all wolfy....so far i see how he was trying to help


theres just one itty bitty detail missing in that....he pulled her in the cage, into a KISS. Why would he need to kiss her....thats the cheating part,
wouldnt you consider it cheating if the person you love tells you, "im sorry i kissed them but if i hadnt then they would have....______(enter excuse of something bad they would have done, robbed a bank, killed them selves...etc....theres always other ways to help)

and why not kill veruca as a wolf in the cage it was just the two of them,....why do till after, i think part of him still knows whats going on as the wolf, just like he can still smell like a wolf as a human.

He kissed her to get her in she wanted him... she wasn't getting in any other way. Don't you see that?
Why would he kill her... he was trying to protect her and the rest of the world from her. Have you even seen the episode?
The reasons he didn't tell the gang was because he was ashamed that the wolf was having such power over him.
Making him think and smell and feel veruca while he was trying to be happy and love Willow.

[Wiccaness]

He kissed her to get her in she wanted him... she wasn't getting in any other way. Don't you see that?
Why would he kill her... he was trying to protect her and the rest of the world from her. Have you even seen the episode?
The reasons he didn't tell the gang was because he was ashamed that the wolf was having such power over him.
Making him think and smell and feel veruca while he was trying to be happy and love Willow.

I'v seen the episode plenty of times, funny though....i was just wonder the same about you.

And i see why he was trying to get her into the cage, i really do, it probably save people, but why kiss her....why not just pull her in, she couldnt possibly now he was going to kiss her till after their lips met, why not just pull her in and lock the door. She didnt know the key to open it up, she couldnt have gotten out
He ends up killing Veruca.....even though he tried so hard to "protect her"

Why not tell Buffy at least...hell even xander would have helped him with out telling any one. he would have helped.
He didnt need to keep it to him self...it put more people in danger that way...he didnt know if she would actually show up that day.

And technically he cheated on Willow the first time he woke up with her and didnt tell any one. He kept it to him self...and why be ashamed if the wolf is something he cant control...it wouldnt have been his fault if the wolf was attracted to her, the gang would have understood that.

[GATEGOD]

I'v seen the episode plenty of times, funny though....i was just wonder the same about you.

And i see why he was trying to get her into the cage, i really do, it probably save people, but why kiss her....why not just pull her in, she couldnt possibly now he was going to kiss her till after their lips met, why not just pull her in and lock the door. She didnt know the key to open it up, she couldnt have gotten out
He ends up killing Veruca.....even though he tried so hard to "protect her"

Why not tell Buffy at least...hell even xander would have helped him with out telling any one. he would have helped.
He didnt need to keep it to him self...it put more people in danger that way...he didnt know if she would actually show up that day.

And technically he cheated on Willow the first time he woke up with her and didnt tell any one. He kept it to him self...and why be ashamed if the wolf is something he cant control...it wouldnt have been his fault if the wolf was attracted to her, the gang would have understood that.
You still do not understand! When he goes wolf he can not control himself and can barely remember what happens.
If he remembers at all! He has 0 I repeat 0 control over his actions! He never cheated on Willow!!
He killed Veruca to save Willow surely you can't be upset with that as well ... can you.... :drunk:

[Wiccaness]

You still do not understand! When he goes wolf he can not control himself and can barely remember what happens.
If he remembers at all! He has 0 I repeat 0 control over his actions! He never cheated on Willow!!
He killed Veruca to save Willow surely you can't be upset with that as well ... can you.... :drunk:



See you just proved my point.


When he goes wolf he can not control himself and can barely remember what happens.
If he remembers at all! He has 0 I repeat 0 control over his actions! He never cheated on Willow!!

If he has no control, then why would he be ashamed to tell them anything about Veruca, no matter what the wolf felt. After all its not him, its the wolf.
they wouldnt blame him....



He never cheated on Willow!!
He killed Veruca to save Willow surely you can't be upset with that as well

No im glad he got Veruca before she got Willow. But he wakes up in the woods with her. So perhaps he didnt cheat on Willow straight on, but it was getting real close to the line. He wakes up with her, when they wake up his confused of coarse, but he doesnt push her away. He stays there wondering what just happened... If he hadnt felt anything for Veruca, wolf or no wolf. He would have tried to get away from her. He would have jumped up and asked what the hell was going on. something like that.

[Keanoite]

Personally I prefer Oz with Willow, nothing against Tara I just like Oz and to be honest I didn't really care for Willow after season 3. I don't think it is fair to say Willow loved Oz but not Tara and vice versa, she clearly was very much in love with both of them, that just can't be denied. And as far as the whole cheating thing goes, what about Willow? She betrayed BOTH Oz and Tara. Her cheating with Xander was faaaar worse than Oz with Veruca becuase Willow LOVED Xander and it was just a one time kiss, it was kisses! plural!! and Tara begged her to stop with the magic and she refused. I think Willow is the bad guy here not Oz or Tara.

[Wiccaness]

as far as the whole cheating thing goes, what about Willow? She betrayed BOTH Oz and Tara. Her cheating with Xander was faaaar worse than Oz with Veruca because Willow LOVED Xander and it was just a one time kiss, it was kisses! plural!! and Tara begged her to stop with the magic and she refused. I think Willow is the bad guy here not Oz or Tara.

I see what your saying,but I don't think it was far worse, if at most it was just as equal to it. Xander and Willow tried stopping, and afterwards, she tried to prove her self to Oz, she tried talking to him till he told her not to, and once they were back together she tried to prove her love for him. Oz necessarily didn't kiss Veruca the first time, but there was no need to initiate a kiss the second time, and there was all that time in between.
And the whole Tara stuff, that doesn't fall under cheating, it was wrong yes, but it doesn't fall under cheating.

[Keanoite]

I see what your saying,but I don't think it was far worse, if at most it was just as equal to it. Xander and Willow tried stopping, and afterwards, she tried to prove her self to Oz, she tried talking to him till he told her not to, and once they were back together she tried to prove her love for him. Oz necessarily didn't kiss Veruca the first time, but there was no need to initiate a kiss the second time, and there was all that time in between.
And the whole Tara stuff, that doesn't fall under cheating, it was wrong yes, but it doesn't fall under cheating.

Maybe it doesn't fall under cheating but it was a HUGE betrayal of trust and their relationship, which is just as bad if not worse.

[Wiccaness]

Maybe it doesn't fall under cheating but it was a HUGE betrayal of trust and their relationship, which is just as bad if not worse.

Agree with you that it was just as bad

[Wiccaness]

I love Tara and Willow, Oz is cool, but the love between T/W is pure. I love in season 7 'HIM' and Buffy says..."Willow, you're a gay woman" Haha, that makes me laugh. And she was willing to turn him into a woman, if she was not a full on lesbian I think she would have taken him as is.

she wasnt angry in my opinion, but man when she is.... god shes hot.... id love to just.... oh sorry must be a diffrent type of "lesbo" ;)

well after tara, she was in fact with kennady.... and she did say to anya " hello gay now" proclaiming she was and is in fact gay.

Oooh and also in entropy when she's with tara and she's telling her about the adventures that have happened while taras been gone she talks about the wig lady. Tara asked what it looked like and she said "Well if i wasnt gay before"

[Elithustra]

Y'know, I really liked Oz. Laid-back, caring, attentative. Except the whole Veruca thing, or whatever that female-wolf-like-person's name was.

Yet at the same time, there wasn't really a lot of chemistry between them. By that I mean it seemed that Willow was more wrapped up in the fact that yes, he was her first love, and first in the true sense of the word. It sometimes struck me as a high-school thing, y'know? Willow finally found someone who got her, who accepted and loved her for who she was and she was just... awestruck by that, more in love with the idea of being in love than being in love itself.

Whereas with Tara, it never, ever came across that way. From the first time Willow saw Tara, she was just captivated. That first meeting of the Wiccan group, Willow took quite a good look at Tara, almost as if to say 'I need to be around you, I can't explain it, but I do.'

I'm a lesbian, and I know it might seem I'd always say Tara over Oz, but I freely admit that Oz was fantastic. Still, sexuality aside, Willow & Tara were the kind of couple on-screen that even if I weren't a lesbian, I would see it as a wonderful, fulfulling relationship.