Did Angelus ever kill a slayer?

[drusillaforever]

I don't recall them ever talking about this. I know that Spike killed 2 slayers, did Angelus?

[FahrbotDrusilla]

I don't recall them ever talking about this. I know that Spike killed 2 slayers, did Angelus?
nope, he was Angel in china when Spike said he'd let him have the next one.

[Lyri]

as far as i'm aware, there has never been any reference in either show to suggest Angelus killed a slayer. so the answer to your question is no, Angelus never killed a slayer.
but i think there are mentions of him killing a slayer or two in some of the novels based on the shows, but i don't think that these are considered cannon, so they don't count.

[Allycat]

Some argue that because it has never been explicitly mentioned on the show that he hasn't killed any, he may still have done so... but personally, I think that's BS. Buffy was so explicitly warned against Spike, because he had killed Slayers before in s2, that if the same were true for Angel, she would have no doubt been told.

[postmortem]

It was never mentioned that he did kill a slayer, so I say, no he didn't.

[galathea]

It was never explicitely mentioned that Angelus killed a slayer and although we cannot nessecarily assume from that fact that he never did, I think its very unlikely because it was no respectable aim for Angelus:

ANGELUS: A real kill. A good kill. It takes pure artistry. Without that, we're just animals. (Fool For Love)

Angelus hated the pure fight. He considered himself an aristocrat amongst vampires and felt that he had to raise above the animal status by being especially cunning, planning and witty. Hunting and killing only for feeding or for fame didn't fullfill his very dark desires, he also had no sense for the kind of brawls Spike was so fond of. He despised this kind of behaviour. We see Angelus fight and he is very able to hold his own, a strong and determined foe if he needs to, but he doesn't deliberately seek out H2H fights, because he thinks it's degrading.

Angelus just had very different aims. As a vampire he knew that he was physically superior to his prey and as such didn't have much to fear from the ordinary man, but he had to demonstrate that he was intellectually superior too. This may go back to his inferiority complex he had back when he was Liam, where he felt he coudn't fullfill his fathers expectations. So I think he didn't see much gain in killing a slayer, except he could make and extraordinary mind game out of it, like with Buffy :)

[SpikedBuffy]

I don't remember hearing anything from the show about Angelus killing a slayer. So, based on that, I would say no.

And when you think about it, he always seemed a little 'afraid' of slayers. He told Spike to stay away from them, and that he was nuts when he wanted to go after one. I think this was during "Fool For Love?" that this conversation takes place?

And I think the only reason that he went after Buffy was because of the relationship that he had with her. Otherwise, I think he would've left her alone had he been a non-souled vampire at the time of her calling.

[Primal Slayer]

I'd like to think that Angelus has killed a Slayer to keep up with his badass vampire gig he had going on, but from the show he hasnt killed any slayers. He liked to play it safe and take on things he knew he could beat.

[Helpless]

From my knowledge, I don't think he has. The show mainly focused on the fact that Spike was able to kill a couple of slayers. If Angel had, they possibly would have mentioned it...or maybe not. In Interviews with Joss, he never spoke of this matter...so I think it's unspoken and there is no talk about it, therefore it's clearly hard to decipher the actually answer we're looking for here.

I'm going to go ahead and say, no...only for the reason of there being no record.

[Wanabee-slayer]

No Angel never did kill a slayer. Although I'm gonna ask another question. Do you think Angelus would have killed buffy or sired her?

[BillieHunter]

No Angel never did kill a slayer. Although I'm gonna ask another question. Do you think Angelus would have killed buffy or sired her?

Yes, after he had messes with her mind first..he would have at least killed her because he could make a mind game out of it as soem peopel said earlier. He wanted to drive her crazy. He wouldn't just kill her and be done with it. He had to mess with her first, break her down. He had to make a game out of the kill...make it his art, but if he succeeded in breaking her down I think he would have finally killed her.

[Carousel Girl8]

From this scene in 'Darla', I think it makes it obvious he did kill a slayer:

Dru: "My little Spike just killed himself a Slayer."
Darla to Angel: "Did you hear that?"
Angel to Spike: "Congratulations. - I guess that makes you one of us."

[Bored of the Dead]

From this scene in 'Darla', I think it makes it obvious he did kill a slayer:


Not at all, all that implicates is that Spike is worthy of Joining this gang as he is strong enough,

IF Angelus had killed a Slayer it would have been made a big deal about.

Remember Angel includes Darla and Drusilla in the 'One of Us' yet we know that Dru's first Slayer was Kendra, and his comment predates that.

Angelus never killed a Slayer

[Carousel Girl8]

True I forgot about the Dru thing. I always think that Angelus did kill one though I know it may never have been bought up but maybe they thought it didn't need to be as if Spike could kill a slayer surely Angelus could too.
When Angelus tells Spike he is a fool to go looking for a slayer to kill, this could merely have been about jealousy as we know Angel is a very jealous person.

[DarkBuffy]

In fact it is quite strange that Angelus has never killed a slayer.. I mean if Spike did (and he was so less cruel than Angelus), how is it possible that Angelus (who was also the most feard vampire) never killed one? I was wondering too

[nerd4hire]

Here's another one to dismiss from School Hard. ;)

Spike: No, you never were. So, why're you so scared of this Slayer?

Angel: Scared?

Spike: Yeah. Time was you would've taken her out in a heartbeat.

[Wicked]

In fact it is quite strange that Angelus has never killed a slayer.. I mean if Spike did (and he was so less cruel than Angelus), how is it possible that Angelus (who was also the most feard vampire) never killed one? I was wondering too

Because Angelus was smart. Like in Heartthrob (I watched it today :)) James didnt understand why Angelus and Darla didnt go after Holtz. He was smart enough to stay away and not risk being killed. Same with the Slayer. Any of them.

ANGELUS: Ahh, a statement, as in, here we are, Holtz, please hunt us down.
JAMES: Oh, who cares about Holtz?
DARLA: (steps close to James, pushes her folded fan into his chest) You would if you knew him. He's killed scores of us. Hunted Angelus and I across half of Europe. (to Angelus) God, if he follows us to Morocco, what then? The New World?
JAMES: I say we stay and fight the bastard.
ANGELUS: Yeah, but you're an idiot.

Spike however wasnt too smart. He was trying to prove himself. Making him fearless. He's do anything to impress Dru and Angelus.

[Black Eye Guy]

A few people have been saying, oh if Spike could kill a slayer Angel could, But you have to remember it's not that he couldn't kill a slayer, it's that he didn't want to, I'm gonna quote Galathea's post, as it sums up Angelus perfect:

It was never explicitely mentioned that Angelus killed a slayer and although we cannot nessecarily assume from that fact that he never did, I think its very unlikely because it was no respectable aim for Angelus:

ANGELUS: A real kill. A good kill. It takes pure artistry. Without that, we're just animals. (Fool For Love)

Angelus hated the pure fight. He considered himself an aristocrat amongst vampires and felt that he had to raise above the animal status by being especially cunning, planning and witty. Hunting and killing only for feeding or for fame didn't fullfill his very dark desires, he also had no sense for the kind of brawls Spike was so fond of. He despised this kind of behaviour. We see Angelus fight and he is very able to hold his own, a strong and determined foe if he needs to, but he doesn't deliberately seek out H2H fights, because he thinks it's degrading.

Angelus just had very different aims. As a vampire he knew that he was physically superior to his prey and as such didn't have much to fear from the ordinary man, but he had to demonstrate that he was intellectually superior too. This may go back to his inferiority complex he had back when he was Liam, where he felt he coudn't fullfill his fathers expectations. So I think he didn't see much gain in killing a slayer, except he could make and extraordinary mind game out of it, like with Buffy :)

[Lyri]

before he fell in love with Buffy, all Spike wanted to do was prove that he was one of the most feared vampires...he killed 2 Slayers and wanted to add Buffy to his list. He wanted to be remembered as the vampire who killed many Chosen Ones.
Angelus never thought about the Slayer. he wanted tpo be remembered as the most evil vampire that existed...not by killing Slayers but by torturing and murdering hundred of people. he wanted Giles to remember him as the demon who murdered the love of his life and left her in his bed. the kill wasn't what was important to Angelus...he would kill to feed, but he would rather kill for pleasure.

[Faith Rose]

I think Anglues, Did because He was the that tell Spike about the Salyer and how if you dies another is called to take her place, so I think he has. That and Giles tell Buffy before Angelues get his soul, he was mosat frared vampire there was, and the watch council has huge amount of info on him right up to he get his soul and stop kill peolpe.

[Irish Spike]

According to the commentary on Fool For Love, no.

[The Chosen]

He killed Buffy emotionally. That doesn't really count, but he still killed her emotinally. I felt for the Buffster when that happened...but no, I don't think Angelus ever ever killed a Slayer. Besides Buffy emotionally.

[zombie.apparatus]

Darla: (to Angel) While Spike...Spike, was out killing a slayer, you were saving missionaries. From me!

this quote kinda tells me Darla was like Spike can kill a slayer and you cant.. at this stage i dont think angelus/angel had killed a slayer and obviosuly hadnt killed one after getting his soul either... it just always seemed as though he was annoyed at Spike for his victories of killing two slayers and Angel not killing one.

[Nuriko]

this quote kinda tells me Darla was like Spike can kill a slayer and you cant.. at this stage i dont think angelus/angel had killed a slayer and obviosuly hadnt killed one after getting his soul either... it just always seemed as though he was annoyed at Spike for his victories of killing two slayers and Angel not killing one.


I think Darla meant "you're supposed to be a serial killer not a puppy dog!!". Don't think that means he never killed a Slayer and, as N4H's quote says, Angelus "would've taken her out in a heartbeat".

In my opinion, eventhough it wasn't said on the shows, Angelus did kill a Slayer.

When Giles or anyone talks about Angelus, they make it sound as he is much worse than Spike. You were saying that Buffy got warned about Spike because he had killed Slayers... No one had time to warn her about Angelus and she saw by herself what he was capable of doing. Besides, we all know that even it might be degrading for him, he's totally willing to kill a Slayer. In S2 he didn't want to cut Buffy's hair with that sword, and he definetly didn't want to say 'welcome, sweetie' to Faith in ATS - S4.

Regarding the strengh, he's very powerful and there are many ways of killing and torturing people. He could have done to a Slayer what he did to Dru...

[Lyri]

i disagree about with what you said about them not having enough time to warn Buffy about Angelus. they had a whole day after Buffy found out Angel was a vampire. in that time, Giles found out who he really was, when he arrived in America, and that there wasn't much activity from him after he arrived in America. he would have surely been able to find out if and when Angelus killed any Slayers.
Buffy was specifically warned about Spike when he arrived in Sunnydale, warned to the fact that he had killed not one but TWO Slayers in the past century, he would definitely have warned her if Angel had killed any, especially when he realized she was in love with him.

[StuckinTraffic]

Most Slayers are alone. There's not really much payoff for Angelus. No one to dwell in the misery of his artistry.

Yeah, but until he was cursed, he had the Fanged Four to tell him how great he was, what a masterful job he did of driving that Slayer mad and then killing her. Or siring her, whatever the case may be.

[Hel]

I think if Angelus has killed a slayer, he said about that a lot like Spike. He hadn't an aim to kill a Slayer like Spike, so he didn't kill.

[white avenger]

From the times that I rember seeing Angelus in the flashbacks, he never struck me as much of a fighter the way Spike was. Certainly, he was capable of fighting, and was no doubt quite formidable, but his main concern seemed to be the fear he could strike in the hearts of his victims, not the challenge of seeking out the most formidable opponents he could find the way Spike did. He would definitely avoid any Slayer who came near him, simply because he couldn't frighten her.

[Darling Faithy]

I personally don't think Angelus killed a slayer, the question isn't does he have the skill, obvious thats a yes, but does he have the will? Angelus as we already know was kind of on a higher level, he seemed less monster, but way more superior to human, and I think Angelus liked to get to know his prey alot better and be able to play with it alittle. I think the only reason he messed with Buffy and her friends was the amount of personal things he could bring to it, he knew what would set them off and he used that to his advantage. Which we saw in Passions.

I think he never killed a slayer because he never wanted to. He was way above that, and it would simply be a kill, and more or less I say it would have bored him. Spike gained his merit for killing a slayer, because his brawls and little fights were his forte, but now that he's killed one of the big guns, hes made it into Angelus's grace.

[Tranquillity]

I don't think Angelus ever killed a slayer and this was confirmed (for me at least) while watching Damage.

Firstly, pretty soon after meeting Spike Dana begins mixing up the other slayers memories of their encounters with him. When she is confronted by Angel, she has no such memories - suggesting that there are no slayer memories of Angelus.

Secondly, and more importantly, Angel taunts Spike about murdering the two slayers. he takes the high moral ground as if the fact that he hasn't killed any Slayers makes him a better man than Spike.

i agree that going after slayers just wouldn't do it for Angelus - he likes a sure thing not an risky fight. He tries to scare Spike with the idea of a slayer in order to keep him in line but this only intreagues Spike, who lusts after the thrill of the fight.

[Angelus4ever22]

For Angelus, fighting was an animalistic thing to do and, therefore, was beneath him. Angelus was only concerned with hurting and tormenting his victims. Killing was an art for him and not the result of a quick brawl. Spike says that he saw his afterlife as a party. A good time in which to let loose. He chose to let lose by getting into fights that were high risk. Not just with slayers, but in general. Nobody could keep up with the legacy of evil forged by Angelus, so Spike made a name for himself in a different way. I always thought that if Angelus did kill a slayer it wasn't through fighting but through his own traditional forms of torment. If he was interested in the fight, he would have been more than capable of defeating a slayer. I mean, it's been established that, aside from his time doubting himself, Angel(us) was a stronger and more impressive fighter than Spike.

[Ashxking]

I see it this way. In Death they want to be the oppisites of who they were in life. Liam was a drunken whore monger, So he tried to become an upper crust vampire. Look at Spike. He was a shy poet. Who once he became a vampire he let out all that anger and hatred to become a great vampire.

[palabravampiress]

Angelus was never into all that hocus pocus stuff. Slayers? Magic? The Master? None of that was his cup of tea. Darla might be forever devoted to her Master. Spike might be always lusting after the epic, hand-to-hand fight. But not Angelus. He was a modern, enlightened vampire - the product of his times. More important and admirable than outdated superstition or brute force was the mind. He liked to get into people's heads. That's why he drove Dru crazy. That's why he left Jenny in Giles' bed. That's why he left those creepy drawings everywhere. I agree with those who think Angelus is too much of a snob and too much of a plotter to go after a slayer. He'd rather plan the perfect psychological torment than go hand-to-hand against mystical forces.

[Kana]

I wouldn't say it was a mystical thing per se. Angelus seemed quite verse with supernatural history and he also seemed to be a relatively skilled sorcerer.

[spuffy]

No, Angelus never killed a slayer. At lease not that I know of but it was never mentioned in the show and everytime Spike says that he murdered two Angel goes all whiney...

[PhenixRising]

No, Angelus never killed a slayer. At lease not that I know of but it was never mentioned in the show and everytime Spike says that he murdered two Angel goes all whiney...

I agree with Spuffy and everyone else who has said that Angelus has never killed a slayer but its obvious that he has the ability to kill a slayer. He is at the very least Spike's equal in combat and most likely a much better fighter.

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

If Angelus wanted to, he could definitely kill a slayer. he had the strength and the cunning, which spike didn't have the smarts and he still killed himself 2 slayers. but No, angelus didn't kill one because they would have absolutely mentioned it.