Was this season good?

[marukisu]

I mean it seemed a little awkward and hectic and tried to include alot of stuff at once. It also didnt give Angel and Connor time to develop a relationship. Does anyone like where this put all of the characters in the end?

[Bored of the Dead]

Was this season good?

Yes - 'nuff said

[Wicked]

It gave plenty time for Angel and Connor to develop a relationship. Especially the relationship they had where they hated each other (or at least Connor hated Angel). After all, them not having time with each other was the point. Connor had been somewhere else his whole life and resented his dad for it. How much more time did they need to show that? ANd its not like it was the last season. There was another one after it, so in regards to where the characters were in the end, it wasnt the end.

As Al said, yes its good. But no, it wasnt the best of the 5.

[apocalypse]

Season four is one of best seasons, probably second only to season five. I don't really get why so many people hate it.

[codyw1]

People "hate" season 4?!?!?!? I think it's the best of the lot, to be honest. I love the insanity of it and the continuous epic storyline that just keeps getting nuttier and nuttier. Though, that said, I am oddly fond of season 5.
To be honest, though I like the first couple of seasons, I don't "love" it in the way I do Buffy. It takes till about season 3 to really cohere IMHO. (Cough that opinion has nothing to do with Fred's arrival, honest guv'nor cough lol)

[Nabila]

I loved the fast-paced, thriller aspect of S4. The appearance of Faith and Willow added to the joy. Gwen also added much-needed colour to the drab setting.

The only thing that I hated was how Cordelia's character was treated. It doesn't matter to me that Jasmine was the one driving. I really resented seeing Cordelia butcher that poor girl in Inside Out, and killing Lilah. Did I have to see that? It was such a waste of a great character. But that's just me.

[Keanoite]

Ok I'm going to be that awkward person and say I hated it! Theres a few reasons so I'll list them.

1. Connor...never liked him. I don't like the actor who plays him, he irratates me to no end and the character is just plan annoying. Most of the time I find myself wondering why the writers couldn't of just let Darla eat him!.
2. The oedipus inspired freak show that was Angel/Cordy/Connor...all I can do is ask why???
3. The Beast was boring in my opinion and that scene when Cory kisses him...*shudder*...its too weird! even for Angel!
4. Jasmine.GRRRR!!! I cannot express how much I dislike this arc it was so...ugh! I don't even have words!
5. But mainly it has to do with Cordy and what I see as the ruination of her character.

ok go ahead..flame me!

[Joyce Summers]

I do think it was such a shame about what happened to Cordy and how it ended up for her, but I also loved all the storylines at the same time. It was twist and turn worthy and I absolutely loved the scene where Willow is fighting off Cordy/Jasmine's majiks and Connor asks worriedly 'can she handle this?' and then Willow goes all witch-voo and Wes is like 'erm..yeah I think she can' hehe
But yeah, the Angel/Cordy/Connor thing- argH! Freaky incestyville. I mean it's like Angelus said 'she was like a mother to you. Huh. Screwing your Mom' he says something to that effect anyway. But yeah it is totally wiggy and gives me the not-so-pleasent variety of goosebumps. And I did miss Cordelia so much after what happened to her but I think Chaisma was just fab at playing the characte evil

[GATEGOD]

I loved the fast-paced, thriller aspect of S4. The appearance of Faith and Willow added to the joy. Gwen also added much-needed colour to the drab setting.

The only thing that I hated was how Cordelia's character was treated. It doesn't matter to me that Jasmine was the one driving. I really resented seeing Cordelia butcher that poor girl in Inside Out, and killing Lilah. Did I have to see that? It was such a waste of a great character. But that's just me.


I loved this season, mainly because what you said, the fast pace, one thing after another, never stopping.
The fact that Faith came back, we see Angelus, Wesley turns all different inside, Connor was...eh, okay when he wasn't near Cordy.
Cordy ... weird, but the ending to this whole little thing was Amazing!! this season had an tremendously well thought out story arc.

:cheering:

So yes, I liked this season.

[Kana]

I really liked it. I loved the Jasmine, stroy because we have climax of a really scary villain and what we have not only one of the powers that Angel used to work for but someone who was trying to bring about world peace although through questionable means. I think that's much more interesting than the usual unambiguous bad.

I liked Connor too. There was so much more to him than "I hate my dad" and in any event he didn't totally hate him and the scene in Home was beautiful.

Wes/Faith/Angelus. Nummy goodness!!!!

I don't think Cordy's character was ruined because as I understand it, it wasn't her. Cordy's arc on Angel was really Seasons 1-3 and You're Welcome. And perhaps a few at the start of Season 4.

[wiccianslayer]

the answer to you question?

HELL YEAH!!!!!!

[benboy606]

Ok I'm going to be that awkward person and say I hated it! Theres a few reasons so I'll list them.

1. Connor...never liked him. I don't like the actor who plays him, he irratates me to no end and the character is just plan annoying. Most of the time I find myself wondering why the writers couldn't of just let Darla eat him!.
2. The oedipus inspired freak show that was Angel/Cordy/Connor...all I can do is ask why???
3. The Beast was boring in my opinion and that scene when Cory kisses him...*shudder*...its too weird! even for Angel!
4. Jasmine.GRRRR!!! I cannot express how much I dislike this arc it was so...ugh! I don't even have words!
5. But mainly it has to do with Cordy and what I see as the ruination of her character.

ok go ahead..flame me!

I disagree....immensely. :p

It's my favorite season so I'll defend it!

RESPONDING TO YOUR POINTS:

1. Conner. Yes, many people hated him. But, he made a great use of Angel development. Angel wanted a child, and he got one, but it a screwed up way. This kid hated his life. It was needed for Angel to grow and become a different character, to be more than 1-dimensional.

2. Why? Because that was NOT Cordy. That was Jasmine trying to get Conner's trust. I admit, the Cordy/Conner sex scene was disgusting, but the rest you can see it was well planned.

3. The Beast? Boring? Have you seen "Apocalypse, Nowish", "Habeas Corpses", "Long Day's Journey", or "Salvage"? Imo, the Beast is anything but boring!

4. Jasmine brought a villain into the Jossverse that has never been shown there before and never will be seen again. Jasmine was a villain that wanted world peace, but was a liar and was willing to sacrifice thousands of lives. It brought up a lot of moral issues and, in a way, the gang really DID destroy world peace. Genius, imo.

5. But they didn't ruin Cordy's character. What would be ruining her character is if she was a spy sent to go to Sunnydale as a high school student and stayed undercover for ten years! Now, THAT would ruin her character. This wasn't Cordy. This was Jasmine, and they left her ready to come back and give a great big goodbye, and you can tell that did NOT destroy her character. My only thing about Cordy this season was that she did not come back in the next one. But, I guess that's a Season 5 issue.

[DarklyDreamingDrusilla]

Ok I'm going to be that awkward person and say I hated it! Theres a few reasons so I'll list them.

1. Connor...never liked him. I don't like the actor who plays him, he irratates me to no end and the character is just plan annoying. Most of the time I find myself wondering why the writers couldn't of just let Darla eat him!.
2. The oedipus inspired freak show that was Angel/Cordy/Connor...all I can do is ask why???
3. The Beast was boring in my opinion and that scene when Cory kisses him...*shudder*...its too weird! even for Angel!
4. Jasmine.GRRRR!!! I cannot express how much I dislike this arc it was so...ugh! I don't even have words!
5. But mainly it has to do with Cordy and what I see as the ruination of her character.

ok go ahead..flame me!


I am not going to flame you because I agree with pretty much all of your points. The only thing that I did not completely agree with was Connor. I liked the idea of his character and when he first came back he was pretty cool. I just did not like the whole Cordy/Connor thing EWWWWY! Anyways I totally agree I just did not like this season very much at all and I would have to say that my favorite was 5 but I also really loved 2 and 3. =)

[TabulaRasa]

I didn't find it that great. It's actually the one season where I ff thru a lot of the episodes. I just watch the odd parts I like...The Beast for instance.

[Keanoite]

I disagree....immensely. :p

It's my favorite season so I'll defend it!

RESPONDING TO YOUR POINTS:

1. Conner. Yes, many people hated him. But, he made a great use of Angel development. Angel wanted a child, and he got one, but it a screwed up way. This kid hated his life. It was needed for Angel to grow and become a different character, to be more than 1-dimensional.

2. Why? Because that was NOT Cordy. That was Jasmine trying to get Conner's trust. I admit, the Cordy/Conner sex scene was disgusting, but the rest you can see it was well planned.

3. The Beast? Boring? Have you seen "Apocalypse, Nowish", "Habeas Corpses", "Long Day's Journey", or "Salvage"? Imo, the Beast is anything but boring!

4. Jasmine brought a villain into the Jossverse that has never been shown there before and never will be seen again. Jasmine was a villain that wanted world peace, but was a liar and was willing to sacrifice thousands of lives. It brought up a lot of moral issues and, in a way, the gang really DID destroy world peace. Genius, imo.

5. But they didn't ruin Cordy's character. What would be ruining her character is if she was a spy sent to go to Sunnydale as a high school student and stayed undercover for ten years! Now, THAT would ruin her character. This wasn't Cordy. This was Jasmine, and they left her ready to come back and give a great big goodbye, and you can tell that did NOT destroy her character. My only thing about Cordy this season was that she did not come back in the next one. But, I guess that's a Season 5 issue.


Connor I have many issues with this character. The first one being the actor. Personally he annoys the **** out of me and it aggravated me having to watch him. Secondly I think having Connor come back all grown up in season 3 was a really poor move and in some ways lazy. I think there was a hell of alot more to develope with Angel actually raising his son than having some petulent child sulk for two seasons. I think we would have seen MORE growth from Angel if he had actually been given the chance to be a parent. Honestly I don't see much of any growth with Angel's character after Connor comes back.

Cordy I absolutely adore her character and I think we needed her more to be Cordy in seasons 3 and 4 than to be the big bad, and personally at times I thought CC played it a little camp for my liking. I know it wasn't her, that she was under Jasmines control. Thats fine if the character is engaging and entertaining like Angelus but she wasn't she was boring and predictable and truthfully I expected more from the show.

The Beast His imaginative name says it all. Utterly dull as a villian and looked too ridiculous that he couldn't be taken seriously. Again I was left cold.

Jasmine A sci-fi favourite, build Utopia and watch it tear itself apart. I was bored, I knew what was going to happen which is fine if whats going on is interesting but it wasn't, it was predictable.

The Ickyness I'm not a prude by any stretch of the imagination but I just DID NOT WANT TO SEE CORDY AND CONNOR GETTING PELVIC. Call me crazy but it just wasn't a must see moment for me. Oedipus has his own play, we didn't need the Cordy/Connor/Angel take on it.

Basically I was disappionted. I expected so much more from the series. I can't help that. I think they were capable of better, the only redeeming factors were Faith (thank God!!!) and Angelus, but even he was bellow par compared to Sunnydale and his stint in 'Eternity'. The one surprise moment for me was when they were offered W&H.

[benboy606]

Connor I have many issues with this character. The first one being the actor. Personally he annoys the **** out of me and it aggravated me having to watch him. Secondly I think having Connor come back all grown up in season 3 was a really poor move and in some ways lazy. I think there was a hell of alot more to develope with Angel actually raising his son than having some petulent child sulk for two seasons. I think we would have seen MORE growth from Angel if he had actually been given the chance to be a parent. Honestly I don't see much of any growth with Angel's character after Connor comes back.

Cordy I absolutely adore her character and I think we needed her more to be Cordy in seasons 3 and 4 than to be the big bad, and personally at times I thought CC played it a little camp for my liking. I know it wasn't her, that she was under Jasmines control. Thats fine if the character is engaging and entertaining like Angelus but she wasn't she was boring and predictable and truthfully I expected more from the show.

The Beast His imaginative name says it all. Utterly dull as a villian and looked too ridiculous that he couldn't be taken seriously. Again I was left cold.

Jasmine A sci-fi favourite, build Utopia and watch it tear itself apart. I was bored, I knew what was going to happen which is fine if whats going on is interesting but it wasn't, it was predictable.

The Ickyness I'm not a prude by any stretch of the imagination but I just DID NOT WANT TO SEE CORDY AND CONNOR GETTING PELVIC. Call me crazy but it just wasn't a must see moment for me. Oedipus has his own play, we didn't need the Cordy/Connor/Angel take on it.

Basically I was disappionted. I expected so much more from the series. I can't help that. I think they were capable of better, the only redeeming factors were Faith (thank God!!!) and Angelus, but even he was bellow par compared to Sunnydale and his stint in 'Eternity'. The one surprise moment for me was when they were offered W&H.

Back again :p

But Angel getting what he wants, having the perfect son and raising him.....1. How is that Joss? and 2. How does that help him? It doesn't help him progress at all, him losing his kid does.

Cordy was interesting as a villain. imo, Charisma was not meant to play a villain here but she wasn't bad and she was only a villain for about 5 episodes, ya know.

The Beast has a lame name....yeah, so? That makes him dull? How so? You thought the epic battle in "Apocalypse, Nowish" was dull? What about the Wolfram and Hart massacre and beaten to death Faith? Boring? Dull? How so?

Jasmine has not been done many times before, I think. It's a thing you have in Angel and Buffy, you sympathize for the villains. You see what they mean. Glory's motive was just to get home! The Mayor was almost like a dad. Holtz just wanted revenge for the death of his family! You understand all these characters, as do I understand Jasmine. I think she just wanted to make everything good, but there really can't be perfect happiness unless people have no actions and are always happy, but not by what they want. It's true; humans are very flawed, and she saw this.

And do you like Season 5? If so, how can you if you're complaining about Cordy not being Cordy, cause she wasn't even in Season 5!

[Cordelia Chase*]

Everyone says they hate this and that about the season but i think thats what makes it great!!! It was unexpected. Out of the ordibary of what we are use too. I think it was great but not the best season....i personally love s3 & s5

[Buffy obsessed fan]

I like most of season 4, I just don't like the Connor/Cordy storyline (Pssh, Cordy *&&* Angel for life :p) and Jasmine annoys me slightly, I mean sure, you need a villain, and she's a good one, I mean, her way of thinking was...new ;) But, did no-one else find her slightly annoying..?

[Keanoite]

Back again :p

But Angel getting what he wants, having the perfect son and raising him.....1. How is that Joss? and 2. How does that help him? It doesn't help him progress at all, him losing his kid does.

Cordy was interesting as a villain. imo, Charisma was not meant to play a villain here but she wasn't bad and she was only a villain for about 5 episodes, ya know.

The Beast has a lame name....yeah, so? That makes him dull? How so? You thought the epic battle in "Apocalypse, Nowish" was dull? What about the Wolfram and Hart massacre and beaten to death Faith? Boring? Dull? How so?

Jasmine has not been done many times before, I think. It's a thing you have in Angel and Buffy, you sympathize for the villains. You see what they mean. Glory's motive was just to get home! The Mayor was almost like a dad. Holtz just wanted revenge for the death of his family! You understand all these characters, as do I understand Jasmine. I think she just wanted to make everything good, but there really can't be perfect happiness unless people have no actions and are always happy, but not by what they want. It's true; humans are very flawed, and she saw this.

And do you like Season 5? If so, how can you if you're complaining about Cordy not being Cordy, cause she wasn't even in Season 5!


I never said anything about Angel raising the perfect son but I thought that if they went to the bother to give him a son in the first place that he as a character and us as the audience would have gotten more from it to see him raise him. I'm not saying it would have played out all sweet and nice cuz like you said it's Joss but I just didn't feel Connor brought anything productive to the show.
You say that Angel grew from what happened with Connor, how exactly?

I didn't find her interesting as a villian. Like I said she seemed camp to me and 5 eps is a long time in tv land. I just didn't like it.

The Beast was what the Judge would have been like if Buffy hadn't had a rocket launcher at the ready. He went on too long. After the second ep of his arc I was ready to move on.

The Utopian ideal has been done to death believe me. Maybe that's the problem I have with Jasmine, I hate what an utopian society means, no free will. To have to watch it on Angel was just too much for me. I'm a cynic, can't really help that.

I don't really care for season 5 too much. I like it better than 4 alright, when Cordy did come back she was fantastic, also Spike provided comic relief but agin not the show's best.

My fav season is 2 and I love season 1 too. I like 3 but wouldn't be crazy about it.

[Bored of the Dead]

I never said anything about Angel raising the perfect son but I thought that if they went to the bother to give him a son in the first place that he as a character and us as the audience would have gotten more from it to see him raise him. I'm not saying it would have played out all sweet and nice cuz like you said it's Joss but I just didn't feel Connor brought anything productive to the show.
You say that Angel grew from what happened with Connor, how exactly?


See we got that. It was condensed down into a few episodes but we got the doting father, we got the worried dad rushing son to hospital and the worry about money. What we didn't need is Angel turning into Little Hyperion on the Prairie.
Angel was given the son he always wanted and in turn that was taken from him only to be delivered back in the form of Stephen/Connor.
Connor got annoying but he made for an interesting character that made Angel question himself, his friends and his life.

Cordy I absolutely adore her character and I think we needed her more to be Cordy in seasons 3 and 4 than to be the big bad, and personally at times I thought CC played it a little camp for my liking. I know it wasn't her, that she was under Jasmines control. Thats fine if the character is engaging and entertaining like Angelus but she wasn't she was boring and predictable and truthfully I expected more from the show.


Why you dogging on season 3 Cordy to start with?
She was the same girl just grown up.

As for season 4 - I loved her and at what point was she predictable?
She is cause of one of the greatest most twisted deaths in the show. I defy anyone to say they could have predicted Lilahs death.
Also the stuff with Connor - what?!?!
People people people please remember this wasn't Cordy.
This is exactly the same as blaming Angel for killing Jenny Calendar.
It was a great touch because it was so unsuspected and wrong and Angelus even comments on it being like Hamlet.
Which brings me to a big issue with this line

Oedipus has his own play, we didn't need the Cordy/Connor/Angel take on it.


So let me ask you, was it just this storyline you hated or every single episode/storyline of Buffy and Angel that played on an already much told story?
If its the latter, why do you watch the show, if its the former don't complain about one aspect being used while others are copied numerous times too.


The Beast was what the Judge would have been like if Buffy hadn't had a rocket launcher at the ready. He went on too long. After the second ep of his arc I was ready to move on.

Fair play, you moved on. I know I didn't. I loved this character, and I actually love the name. Its perfect in its simplicity. Like other characters in the show he was exactly what he was supposed to be and the name shows that.

The Utopian ideal has been done to death believe me. Maybe that's the problem I have with Jasmine, I hate what an utopian society means, no free will. To have to watch it on Angel was just too much for me. I'm a cynic, can't really help that.

Some could argue that the Vampire story has been done to death, the Frankenstein story too, the guy who did wrong in his past seeking redemption its ALL been done before, alot doesn't mean its wrong to redo it from a different angle.
Also, I don't get your reasoning for hating the Jasmine/World peace arc.
The cynic in you must tell you that for world peace there has to be a price and some would have to consider if that price was worth paying now thats what happened here.
Angel and the group thought Utopias price was too high, so you hate it because it agrees with what you believe?

Season 4 is amazing, every step of the way. I understand that some people got bogged down by the continuing arc but me, I loved it.

[Keanoite]

Connor got annoying but he made for an interesting character that made Angel question himself, his friends and his life.
All the reasoning in the world will never make me believe he was interesting. The boy was annoying, the only time I liked him was season 5 when he wasn't Connor anymore. Angel spent his entire series questioning himself, his friends and his life, Connor didn't bring anything new to the table. Once Connor returned form the hell dimension we learn nothing about Angel's character that hadn't already been known. It was only when Connor was a baby that we saw another side of him.

Why you dogging on season 3 Cordy to start with?
She was the same girl just grown up.

As for season 4 - I loved her and at what point was she predictable?
She is cause of one of the greatest most twisted deaths in the show. I defy anyone to say they could have predicted Lilahs death.
Also the stuff with Connor - what?!?!
People people people please remember this wasn't Cordy.
This is exactly the same as blaming Angel for killing Jenny Calendar.
It was a great touch because it was so unsuspected and wrong and Angelus even comments on it being like Hamlet.

Ok the season 3 comment was unfair, I take that back.
As for Lilah's death, I would call it the most unecessary death on Angel. Lilah was just pure gold and a complete asset to the show. Killing her, to me was stupid.
Even more so when she wasn't used the following season. AI take over W&H and she's not involved? Madness!
Like I said I KNOW IT WASN'T CORDY! but that doesn't mean I can't have a problem with it! Like I said before I felt CC camped it up too much, I think the real Cordy was missed and as villians go she was pretty boring!


So let me ask you, was it just this storyline you hated or every single episode/storyline of Buffy and Angel that played on an already much told story?
If its the latter, why do you watch the show, if its the former don't complain about one aspect being used while others are copied numerous times too.

As Joss always said, its not what story yout telling it's about what you have to say about it. I don't understand what the show was trying to say with this arc. I would have no problem with it apart from the general ick factor associated with it if the story had a point. It seems like a fairly heavy topic to use as just a means to and ends i.e. Jasmine

Fair play, you moved on. I know I didn't. I loved this character, and I actually love the name. Its perfect in its simplicity. Like other characters in the show he was exactly what he was supposed to be and the name shows that.

So, what? Scorn not his simplicity? You liked him, I was bored to tears.

Some could argue that the Vampire story has been done to death, the Frankenstein story too, the guy who did wrong in his past seeking redemption its ALL been done before, alot doesn't mean its wrong to redo it from a different angle.
Also, I don't get your reasoning for hating the Jasmine/World peace arc.
The cynic in you must tell you that for world peace there has to be a price and some would have to consider if that price was worth paying now thats what happened here.
Angel and the group thought Utopias price was too high, so you hate it because it agrees with what you believe?

Like I said before it's about what you have to say about the story. Maybe my reasoning isn't exactly sound but Jasmine bothered me. No matter how great you tell me you think her arc was that won't change. I could burn your ears for hours about the brilliance of the Buffy/Angel love story but that wouldn't change the fact that it's not what you want to see. Same principal applies here.

Season 4 is amazing, every step of the way. I understand that some people got bogged down by the continuing arc but me, I loved it.
I have no problem with a continuing arc, infact I love em, just not this arc.

[Kana]

As for Lilah being killed, I found it shocking at first but it made a beautiful end to Wes/Lilah storyline. With character's themselves, they didn't overplay the tragedy.

The practical element was the throw Wes off centre, like Angel seeing Cordy and Connor.

[GATEGOD]

After watching even more episodes in season 4 I can safely say it is my favorite season of Angel!

[codyw1]

Currently in the middle of watching it again. Brilliant - the best season of Angel by far. And pretty much the ONLY season where I actually preferred Angel to the concurrent Buffy season. To be honest, I actually rather dislike seasons 2 and 3. Some decent standalones aside, they actually bore the pants off me at times. Don't care about Darla, don't care about Holtz, and sure as hell don't care about the overused and thoroughly tiresome Wolfram and Hart. And season 3's 'Saint Cordelia' arc really ticked me off.

Then season 4 comes along, and pretty much destroys everything I found tiresome and boring about the show in one fell swoop, and makes it gripping and exciting and thrilling as hell to boot. Wonderful. It's a great shame it ended after season 5, to my mind the show only found it's feet in Year 4.

[Jaded Wolf]

At first I didn't like this season but now that I've been re-watching it I'm seeing more and more details and themes that I previously missed that makes this season probably not the best per se but definetely more deep and meaningful. It also does quite a bit of progression for the characters as well that I just love. Wesley becomes more dark and rogue-like and is able to hold his own now. I also loved the James Bond-like gadgets he was using. I also liked Angel's return to being more dark. While Angelus in Season 4 was not as good as Buffy Season 2 it was still worth watching.

What I also liked about this season was defining that fine gray line that exists between good and evil. On one hand, Angel stopped the evil acts of Jasmine but on the other hand destroyed a paradise-like society by doing so. Throughout season 4 it dealt with defining where that line is between good and evil.

So overall, I think this season definetely had those strong points to it and not as bad as I orignally thought.

[HyenaDemon]

The only thing I would've changed, is having a season like this AFTER Angel's life had things in life that he could appreciate all season long. It kinda went like this

Sleep Tight - Angel's life sucks again
Forgiving - Angel's life sucks
Double or Nothing - Angel's life sucks
The Price - Angel's life sucks even more
A New World - Angel's life sucks
Benediction - Angel's life found a whole new degree of suckage
Tomorrow - Angel's pretty god damn screwed right now
Deep Down - Angel's life still sucks
Ground State - Angel's life sucks a tad bit less
The House always wins - Ditto
Slouching towards bethlehem - Oops, Angel's life sucks again
Supersymmetry - And it still sucks
Spin the bottle - You think Angel's life sucks now?
Apocalypse Nowish - Think again!
Habeas Corpses - And yet, the degree of suckage continues to accelerate
Long Day's Journey - Angel's life sucks
Awakening - Angel's life is getting better? JUST KIDDING it sucks
Orpheus - Angel's back, and his life sucks better than ever
Inside Out - Did I mention Angel's life sucks?
The rest of Season 4 - Okay, you pretty much get the idea

I don't know, I think maybe if Season 3 wasn't as deep and depressing as it is, I would've been able to appreciate Season 4 a little more. It seemed to me like "Okay, it's not like I can feel any worse for Angel right now"

[InsaneMystic]

The only thing I would've changed, is having a season like this AFTER Angel's life had things in life that he could appreciate all season long. It kinda went like this

Sleep Tight - Angel's life sucks again
Forgiving - Angel's life sucks
Double or Nothing - Angel's life sucks
The Price - Angel's life sucks even more [...]
While that list is great (you made my morning with it :biggrin:), there's just a big friggin' problem with it... For Angel, suckage simply is a way of life (I swear there's no pun intended).
You see,
Awakening - Angel's life is getting better? JUST KIDDING it sucks
This proves the point. If Angel's life really started to get significantly better, he'd go bye-bye on his soul again. Like it or not, we're stuck with Ol' Mopey... at least he had good enough reasons for being like that in this season (which, did I mention it already, I really liked).

[willow23]

This is really the best season of Angel. Jasmine is the most interesting villain. The moral grays of the show were really the most prevalent and the best executed within this season. Not just in terms of Jasmine, but Lila, Wesley, and a whole host of other interesting plots that basically dealt with the question of whether free will was good or not and what good was versus evil. Connor's desperation and search for something to believe in is incredibly touching and very poetic.

[HyenaDemon]

While that list is great (you made my morning with it ), there's just a big friggin' problem with it... For Angel, suckage simply is a way of life (I swear there's no pun intended).

Well, yeah. But I think they could've at least attempted to keep drama to a minimum.. at least until the dead end of Season 3. Then, you'd take a break from the drama... and be lulled into a false sense of security that nothing else in Angel's life can possibly be as bad as it was in Season 2.

I also would've made it so that Cordelia did this on her own free will. In a way that would make sense to her character, of course. Like, Cordelia, on the higher plane, sees atrocities in this world that make the things that happened in her visions earlier look like Hanna Barbera cartoons. She sees so much of it, that she just wants it to stop, both for her sanity and for the world. So it gets to the point that she would even impregnate herself with her lover's son's spawn, betray her friends, kill thousands of people, and even be comatose to do an act that, in her mind, was for the greater good. Hey, it'd be understandable, right? It wouldn't be a side of Cordelia we'd want to see, sure, but I think it would add to the drama.

But, another part of me, who always wanted someone to write a storyline where a character was possessed by a demon or something, and it wasn't revealed to the audience either until it was revealed to the main characters, or it was revealed halfway through the damage.

[The Ferg]

I absolutely love this season. I don't understand why everyone hates Connor so much...

[NympHadorA]

I think that season wasnt great, but it was good enough... :)

[angelchick182]

A while back, I unshelved the DVD's after about 3 years of not watching either show. I finished rewatching BtVS some time ago, and I've been rewatching Angel - and just finished Season 4. Just like some episodes/seasons of Buffy, my perspective has changed a bit after watching it with fresh eyes. I actually forgot how many good episodes Season 4 had. I never had an issue with Connor, and like many, the Connor/Cordy storyline wasn't exactly my favorite - but it was necessary to take the season where it needed to go. So, yes I do think this season was good.

[andrewcutter]

i think all the angel seasons were amazing but season 4 had to be my favorite. the story was fast pace, lots of good epes, angelus and faint make their return, the beast jasmin and angelus were some of the best villains. i think the only thing that bothers me about this season is the real cordy wasnt there and i felt like we lost cordy at the end of season 3, however besides that this season was amazing.

[JuniorWatcher]

I would say this ranks as one my fav Angel seasons .. quite a few good episodes, especially the one's involving Faith and Angelus. Didnt really like the Cordy/Conner storyline though.