Discussion of 8.06 "No Future for You # 1" Release 08/06/07

[nerd4hire]

This should be out now. Here's what Dark horse has to say about it.

Top creator Brian K. Vaughan (Y: The Last Man; Pride of Baghdad; Lost) takes over writing duties and dives headlong into what Faith is up to-infiltration, assassination, and nonstop Cleveland. The fugitive Slayer is given the assignment that could change her life . . . if Giles's specialized training doesn't make her want to end it first. Artist Georges Jeanty (The American Way) remains at the top of his game--and Joss Whedon stays on as Executive Producer--in this first part of "No Future for You."

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[Black Eye Guy]

Awesome issue, Gotta say I'm not a fan of how Faiths drawn, but the book is fantastic, a little bit of a let down, but thats only cuz it's the set up story and I know how cool the rest of the storyline is going to be!

I don't really like this whole Faith is an outsider and not part of the group she was at the end of season 7, they just went back to treating her like a killer?

Doctor who in Buffy that was Brilliant!!

[Canon]

Doctor who in Buffy that was Brilliant!!

Haha, I thought I saw David Tennant :D

I quite enjoyed this issue, but it's just made me more excited for the next ones :(

[nerd4hire]

I just read it. This is easily my favorite so far, and I've got a feeling I'll be saying that again next month. This whole series is just so great. I'm loving it.

[goldenboy]

"Hey, I likes me some kink, but if you think I'm going downtown on this chick, you chose the wrong Chosen One."

C'mon, that's good stuff, lol. Agreed, Faith is drawn weirdly. Lady Savidge actually looks...normal. I think Jeanty may in fact do better with the non-actor characters. Brilliant issue overall. Highly quotable.

[Lyri]

this arrived in my hallway this morning...got so excited to find it when i came back frm my sucky job interview.

anyway, i know i harped on a bit about the crappy artwork, but actually, a few pages in, i really liked it. i like the fact that it's choppy and rough, i think that's maybe the point, to show that Faith isn't the smooth, comfortable person that Buffy is. i also like the fact that it's slightly darker than the previous issues.

loved the Doctor and Rose squeezed in there. that was cute.

i liked the scene with buffy and Xander, but i think that might have been just me trying to picture a buffer Nick Brendon rather than a comic book character, lol

overall, i LOVED this issue. i agree with N4H, definitely my fave issue so far. i loved the fact that they paired up Faith with Giles, rather than someone else. and her dress at the end? not something i ever expected to see Faith dressed in.

i liked the intro of 'Gigi' or rather, Lady Savidge. i'm just wondering where they're gonna go with this. she just killed another Slayer, true, but i'm wondering who's pulling the strings. she seems to be being led by the guy she was with, who just happened to have a Twilight image on his book or whatever. do you think she's actually evil, or is she being played?

i cann't wait to find out what happens next.

[goldenboy]

i liked the intro of 'Gigi' or rather, Lady Savidge. i'm just wondering where they're gonna go with this. she just killed another Slayer, true, but i'm wondering who's pulling the strings. she seems to be being led by the guy she was with, who just happened to have a Twilight image on his book or whatever. do you think she's actually evil, or is she being played?

It's interesting that she says "I want what was promised me. I want what's mine". Does she even know who or what Twilight is?

General Voll's a member of Twilight. So's this Irish Warlock. Voll seems totally ignorant about magic. Seems like a fairly loose, disparate collection of active members.

[nerd4hire]

That was the big question of this issue for me too. What was promised Lady G. According to the great, bearded wizard of Northhampton (LOL - love that) it means Apocalypse if she gets it, so what could it be. I don't know...control of the slayer army? She thinks of it as hers, whatever it is.

[goldenboy]

This issue felt very Vaughan-ish. Almost over-the-top, overkill with all the quips. But I never get sick of them.

And yeah, maybe it's just some power grab fantasy on her part.

[nerd4hire]

Could one of the TFaw people check in when they get their issue. I want to post a non-spoiler spec thread for 8.07, for the people who don't like spoilers, but I don't want to do it until the bulk of people get # 6.

[Mortal]

"Hey, I likes me some kink, but if you think I'm going downtown on this chick, you chose the wrong Chosen One."

okay, so i think we have it settled; Faith is not bi.

as for the issue it was a very promising start for this leg of the story but i have to defer judgment until the other issues are out. And yes, the drawing, of Faith in particular, was just rather bad.

And I loved the ending for some reason: "5 by 5", B.

[Panda]

^ hahah i love the faith is bi debates.

i absolutely loved this issue. vaughan is always entertaining and is soo good with faith. it really felt like her.

i agree on the drawings of faith, although they were way better than what i was expecting. georges is definitely better at drawing buffy than faith.

[Black Eye Guy]

Reading this the second time I felt really bad for Faith, she clearly doesn't like being the go to slayer for wetworks. She tried to get a passport and leave, also when she got home she put a stake in the wall, there were 5 others, doesn't that mean she's done at least 5 other missions that really effected her?

I really loved the bonding between Giles and Faith, thats an excellent idea, Giles telling her they wern't do different. That was something I never made a connection with, but now they've said it, makes perfect sense!

I still think there planning something with Xander and Buffy, that scene seemed a little random, but not out of place. Clearly they've gotten closer, Willow was in the castle but wasn't with them.

[Lyri]

i don't want a Buffy/Xander ship.l but i do agree with BEG, that seems to be where it's leading.

[Tranquillity]

i don't want a Buffy/Xander ship.l but i do agree with BEG, that seems to be where it's leading.

see, for me, i thought the Buffy/Xander scene really put paid to any suggestion of a romance. it was so reminicent of the tv show - Xander crushing on Buffy, Buffy ignoring his babbling. Classic Buff and Xander.

What else about this issue...

Loved this issue - my fave so far (as others have remarked) i think because there is so much nice, juicy dialogue that sets up coming events really nicely. Faith and Giles were spot on perfect - i could hear them talking in my heads as i read.

So Robin Wood has a troop of newbie slayers. So that makes who - Andrew, robin, Giles and Buffy each with a squad - who's got the others? And Faith didn't get one? (that we know of) which is a bit strange considering that she was very good with the gals in season seven - though is looks like she gets given all the really crappy jobs to do.

Lady Genivive - rich bitch and dangerous! she's confusing too - callous and cruel but then sort of sorry that she killed the other slayer. What has her passably attractive irish warlock promised her?

RE: the passably attractive irish warlock - i predict a big showdown with our Willow - she'll show him that witches don't have to be ugly.

Loved Xander's Sunnydale Swim team shirt - ahh the glory days:)

and Yay, Buffy is dreaming again

[Clem Rocks]

Thoughts about this issue:

Why are you all moaning about the way Faith's drawn? she looks like.....Faith =|

Was nice the see The Doctor and Rose in it, but considering Rose hasn't been in the last series of Doctor Who, you'd have thought it would have been Martha with him instead =|

What was up with a vamp kid calling Faith a whore and making her stab Giles?

Was funny to see Giles finding Faith attractive in her dress at the end lol

Since when was Xander so buff? o_O

Was that a Chimera in Buffy's dream that ate her?

and does anyone else think this issue is just Queen of the Slayers but with a few lil differences?

[Mortal]

Why are you all moaning about the way Faith's drawn? she looks like.....Faith =|

Give me a break, does this look like Faith?

http://www.buffy-boards.com/gallery/data/media/39/faith_phone.jpg

http://www.buffy-boards.com/gallery/data/media/39/faith_forking.jpg

[Lyri]

Since when was Xander so buff? o_O

well, this is 18 months after 'Chosen'. he's obviously been working out and training. where does it say that Xander can't be buff? i like it...now if only this was real TV and we could get to see Nicky with a nice buffy body again...

wait, where was i? oh, yeah...


and does anyone else think this issue is just Queen of the Slayers but with a few lil differences?


we don't know what Lady Savidge wants. she might not want to be 'Queen of the Slayers' maybe it's something else that she was promised. we just don't know yet, so i'm gonna resist jumping to conclusions about this arc and that stupid novel.

[Clem Rocks]

Give me a break, does this look like Faith?

The top one does, yes

we don't know what Lady Savidge wants. she might not want to be 'Queen of the Slayers' maybe it's something else that she was promised. we just don't know yet, so i'm gonna resist jumping to conclusions about this arc and that stupid novel.

Queen of the Slayers: Rich slayer with sorcerer boyfried
No Future For You: Rich slayer with socerer friend
Queen of the Slayers:Slayer wants to kill Buffy to become Queen of the Slayers
No Future For You: Buffy dreams of being killed by something that says "The Queen is dead"

You don't see the connections?

[TeenageFBI]

I feel like the series has really started to develop it's own identity with this issue (ok...maybe #5 and 6 combined). While I loved the first arc, it did seem a tiny bit shallow as far emotional depth. (Ok maybe emotional depth isn't the exact term I'm looking for but it's the best I could come up with.) Obviously Joss had to set up a lot of backstory for the year between season 7 and season 8, as well as lay the groundwork for what's going to happen coming up the comics.

It was nice having #6 focus more on one character in particular. I felt like the Faith characterization was dead on and it was great having Giles appear in more than just a few panels.

I forgot to check and I don't have my comics with me right now but was this issue longer than the others?

[Lyri]

Roden is not her boyfriend. from what it appears, he's her tutor, hired by her father.

yes, there maybe a slight connection, if you want to jump to that. but we still don't know if Buffy's dream had anything to do with Lady S. how do we know that it's Buffy the dream-image is talking about? maybe 'the Queen is dead' refers to Faith. and no where does Lady S. say that she wants to kill Buffy ir Faith...in fact, she seemed quite shocked to have killed a Slayer at all.

until otherwise proven, i refuse to belive that Brian K. Vaughn would 'borrow' a plot from a book that wasn't very well received in the first place.

[Clem Rocks]

Roden is not her boyfriend. from what it appears, he's her tutor, hired by her father.

yes, there maybe a slight connection, if you want to jump to that. but we still don't know if Buffy's dream had anything to do with Lady S. how do we know that it's Buffy the dream-image is talking about? maybe 'the Queen is dead' refers to Faith. and no where does Lady S. say that she wants to kill Buffy ir Faith...in fact, she seemed quite shocked to have killed a Slayer at all.

until otherwise proven, i refuse to belive that Brian K. Vaughn would 'borrow' a plot from a book that wasn't very well received in the first place.

Assume Roden is the sorcerer, i said he was her friend, not boyfriend

and if she is so shocked at killing a slayer, why is it made out to seem like this isn't the first slayer she has done this to?

[Lyri]

where does it say that this isn't the first time she's killed a Slayer? it says that this isn't the first time she's taken a human life, but it does indicate this this was the first time she's killed another Slayer, someone like her. that's why i said she seemed shocked...and she does seem shocked at first. look at her body language, and what she's saying:

"Oh, God. I...I thought you said this one would be as strong as me. I thought she was another Slayer!"

[Black Eye Guy]

Assume Roden is the sorcerer, i said he was her friend, not boyfriend

and if she is so shocked at killing a slayer, why is it made out to seem like this isn't the first slayer she has done this to?

It does! She said something like: "you said this one would be stronger, a slayer like me", that says she's never fought a slayer before.

We don't know nearly enough to say how close the story is to the book.

[Mortal]

The top one does, yes

She looks significantly older (middle aged) and less attractive in that one than the Faith I remember. In many other pics she looks fine though, but the inconsistency was one of the problems.

[nerd4hire]

I don't read the books. I didn't know there were similarities between this arc, and that book. From what Clem Rocks says it would appear there are. Question - does it matter?

Joss says he doesn't read the books. It wouldn't surprise if Vaughan doesn't either. So they create this little sub-plot, and it turns out it has similarities to the plot of one of the books. So what? Good on the book for getting one right is what I say.

This kind of thing is not unknown. I read a post on a message board recently where this guy was talking about something that happened in Season 8. He was right pleased with himself, because he wrote a fanfic one time where that happened. Good for him I say. He got one right.

The Queen of the Slayers thing is no different than when Normal Again followed the Charmed episode Brain Drain. They're similar stories. In that case when you look at the time line one could not have copied the other, yet the similarities are unmistakable.

This kind of thing happens. It's nothing more than an interesting occurrence.

[nerd4hire]

On the what exactly Lady G said regarding slaying the slayer thing...here ya go.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/JimJohn/LadyGslaysSlayer.jpg

BTW. Doesn't it look like that slayer was dressed as housekeeping staff. This would suggest she was undercover. And speaking of undercover, Lady G can sense when other slayers are around. What will happen when she meets Eliza Doolittle Faith? Will she zero in on Faith as a slayer right away?

[goldenboy]

So Robin Wood has a troop of newbie slayers. So that makes who - Andrew, robin, Giles and Buffy each with a squad - who's got the others? And Faith didn't get one? (that we know of) which is a bit strange considering that she was very good with the gals in season seven - though is looks like she gets given all the really crappy jobs to do.
I don't think she wants the responsibility, even at this point. She was getting fairly good with command, but I think she has zero desire for that. But yeah, she'll take on a crappy solo mission, out of guilt, a sense of...penance or something...


What was up with a vamp kid calling Faith a whore and making her stab Giles?
Well, the lighting totally changes. To me, it seemed like a flashback to some a-hole ex-boyfriend or even a sib who abused her. Do we know if she has any sibs? I forget, if I ever knew. Or was it supposed to be a vamp? Maybe so. She's got issues with touching at any rate.

[Clem Rocks]

I don't think she wants the responsibility, even at this point. She was getting fairly good with command, but I think she has zero desire for that. But yeah, she'll take on a crappy solo mission, out of guilt, a sense of...penance or something...



Well, the lighting totally changes. To me, it seemed like a flashback to some a-hole ex-boyfriend or even a sib who abused her. Do we know if she has any sibs? I forget, if I ever knew. Or was it supposed to be a vamp? Maybe so. She's got issues with touching at any rate.

Yeah diffenatly a flashback, but it looks like one of the kid vamps she was fighting earlier in the comic, why would a kid vamp calling her a whore have effected her?

[Tranquillity]

Yeah diffenatly a flashback, but it looks like one of the kid vamps she was fighting earlier in the comic, why would a kid vamp calling her a whore have effected her?

because it vocalises her worst personal fear - that she IS nothing more than a whore. sure, she's full of bravado when she talks of getting 'bouncy' with a guy then wanting nothing more to do with him, when she says she's 'banged enough bankers' to know how to fit in to high society and even though she chooses this, that she is the one in control she is still terrified that at the end of the day she is just a whore and that that's all anybody will ever think of her as.

[Panda]

^ awesomely put. this issue really brought back me ending up just really feeling sorry for her. while she's totally a complete bad ass at the end of the day she's so dark and disturbed even after coming out of redemption.

[Angel's vision]

I liked it, it has so many unanswered q's already! Oh and seeing the Dr and Rose never thought it was till someone pionted out!

Shows how much i wasn't expecting!

[Senior Watcher]

i liked #6 much more than #5. not that i didnt like #5 or anything, its just, well, i want to read about the scoobies and friends.

i give it 5 out of 5 stars! cant wait for the next one!

[Xander]

okay, so i think we have it settled; Faith is not bi.


I'd say she is, she's just picky. Some frou frou English aristocrat isn't her type I'd imagine.

I loved the Doctor Who appearance too. And the whole issue and that.

Only just caught up with all the comics, whens the next due? Im getting confused because I keep seeing covers and stuff on Whedonesque.

[VisionGuy]

I got this issue yesterday. It was a lot better than 5 in my opinion. Although I was very upset that I got the crappy ass variant cover instead of the Jo Chen one.

[Senior Watcher]

dont worry visionguy, your local comic store should have all the covers. if they dont, let me know and ill get you one from my store. peace.

[Miss Sunnydale]

I really loved this issue ... I loved seeing Faith again, and the writing for Giles was so PERFECT -- It made me feel like I was watching an episode. I don't know how I feel about this whole Lady G thing. It seems very vague, and kind of .. I don't know ... Just not very realistic. What I love about Buffy is that it mixes reality with this fantasy world, but the fantasy world is always based in OUR world, the real world. With the comics, it seems like its getting more into the fantasy side of things, and no one's really asking, "Could that really happen?" ... I loved the fairy reference issue 5, but I could never see that happening in the tv show. And I feel the same way about Lady G. She seems to ... I'm not sure how to put it. A little fake, perhaps? I think that once they elaborate on her character more I'll like the arc more.

I also was quite upset about how seperate Faith is from the community. Everyone else seems to have a job and a group for support. Faith just gets called on to do the messy bits, and is back to her loner killer life. I don't think thats fair. By the end of Season Seven, I felt like she was an integral part of the Scoobies, and that they'd gotten over that Faith=killer thing. But it seems like all of that was forgotten, and she's back to her lonely life in her empty apartment being called on for wetworks. I expected a little bit more love/luck to be thrown Faith's way.

I cannot WAIT for the next issue. I can't wait to find out what happens!
Honestly, the comic book has made me so happy. I was sort of apprehensive when I found out about Season 8 in comic book form, but now that is out, and I'm reading it ... I'm so pleased with it.

[alexa]

Got mine today :) Woot. Although I got this one from amazon, not tfaw.. those ones are still on the way. I love this issue, #2 is still my fav so far for laughs though.
Faith is rivaling Willow as my fav character atm, she's great, so much depth. But yeah, I was dissapointed that she's not part of the group.. or any group. Then again, when people find themselves isolated it's generally just as much their own fault as anyone else's.
She doesn't seem phased when Giles points out that she has to kill a human again, is this because she wants out of the country really bad? I would have thought she would refuse to begin with.
I looked up 'augur' in dictionary.com and it means: one of a group of ancient Roman officials charged with observing and interpreting omens for guidance in public affairs.
2. soothsayer; prophet.
Just in case anyone was wondering?... nope just me with the limited vocabulary then :p

And yeah the monster in Buffy's dream does look like a Chimera.. does anyone know what they are involved in with Greek mythology? And why is it saying 'long live the queen' when Buffy says it says 'the queen is dead'

Jeez too much to comment on :p I'm not sure if they are building up Xander/Buffy romance or not.. it's all so vague, and full of subtext. But I love that about Buffy, keeps me thinking.

Edit:

I also had a theory I forgot to post about, and I can't edit my post now so sorry for double-post.
GiGi (calling her that cause easier) wants "what's mine".. the first thing I thought of was Buffy's sythe and to be Buffy... but mostly her sythe. Just because when Buffy got it, there was a lot of talk about it being hers.. and hers alone. Plus it has a lot of power. Then again I could be way off, maybe GiGi has no interest in that sort of thing.. more concerned with status, money and having fun.
Also, is she having the same dreams as Buffy..?

[Whistler]

Great Issue, my thoughts:

- This is Faith to a perfection. Every word written I can hear her saying easily and I love it.
- I disagree with what most people think about the gang abandoning her. The way she's acting and what she's saying tend to make me think that she chose this. Faith still isn't a team player and I honestly don't think she ever will be. She's still fighting her inner-demons and has alot of shit to work out in her life.
- What's up with Gile's "Yellow Submarine" sweater? Very un-Gileish type of clothing.
-What's up with this uber-slayer? How'd she get so powerful? And why did she seem genuinely freaked out when she realized she killed that slayer?
- Loved the classic rock references; AC/DC and Pink Floyd
- We never did find out why Giles came to Faith when even he admitted there were girls better suited for this. I'd like to know the real reason.
- Think Faith was really listening when Giles was explaining that they weren't so different? Looked like Faith might have taken the message to heart.
- Hahaha, Xander's alone training is one of the funniest things so far. And Buffy interupting was awesome, she looked so cute. Anyone else notice Xander was wearing a "Sunnydale Swim Team" shirt? Brings back memories. Also Xander catching himself admitting that he still checks out Buffy...alot probably was hilarious.
- Giles checking out Faith....priceless.

This issue rocked, can't wait for the next one.

[alexa]

I don't think she's an uber slayer... I just thought she sensed where the girl was, because slayers can do that.. they don't live on the same plane as regular people. I assumed she didn't realize a slap with full slayer strength could snap the neck of another slayer.
But then again it would be interesting if the Twilight were magically making her stronger. I'm of the opinion that's she's being played.

[crabby patty]

just finished reading and think this is my fave issue so far although agree with some that I am not keen on how Faith is drawn.

Do feel dissapointed that Faith is seperated from everyone but then I suppose thats her character she is a loner. I keep forgetting she is on the run from Prison!

[CharmedSlayer85]

What I didn't get was this whole notion that Faith wants to quick slaying and give up this life forever, when Giles basically hinted at that being Faith's reward. I thought that despite everything the one thing that Faith enjoys about her life was slaying. I mean they made that whole point ever since Faith's introduction in Season Three of Buffy.

[nerd4hire]

It's like what BEG pointed out earlier. When she comes home from slaying the vampire kids, she puts a stake through the wall. She didn't like the job. There's 5, or so holes in the wall before she makes that one. Her disapproval of whatever she's been asked to do is something that's been with her for awhile.

From her talk with Giles we know she gets asked to do the jobs nobody else wants to do. Giles offers her 3 things. He offers her money, freedom from the authorities, and freedom from the slayer organization. None of that means she will never slay again. It just means she's free from then on to do whatever she wants.

[DarklyDreamingDrusilla]

I liked this issue a lot I am excited to see where the story goes from here. (My issue 7 is in the mail!) I have to agree with everyone who did not like the way Faith was drawn. I don't know she looked a bit odd. I did love the Xander swim team shirt too Tranquillity and I loved Gile's Yellow Submarine sweater (Go Beatles) Overall I liked the issue.

[TabulaRasa]

I loved the issue. I thought the art was just fine. And I loved seeing a bit of the old Faith, stabbing Giles and all. I mean, I love the new Faith, back to normal and all but rogue Faith made things interesting, which is exactly why it is going to be freakin amazing her and the new rogue slayer. We will see some real badass Faith when she takes the rogue out. Well, we assume she will take her out. I just can't wait. But anyways, I thought it was great!

[Mr. Pointy]

I finally got this issue today (along with issue 7 - thanks Comic Book Guy) and I don't normally bother about such fripperies as variant covers but my copy had the variant cover and I really wanted the proper cover... Hah! The comic was dead good though :)

[GATEGOD]

Loved it!! Thankfully I got the cool cover ^_^
Can't wait to see what happens next with Faith.
Glad to see she still is alive and kicking and not seeing Robin!!
Sad that they always give her the dirty jobs though, she should have stabbed Giles again!!
Haha, anyways, off to read the next one ^_^