Lie to me

[wiccianslayer]

i watched lie to me recently and i found myself feeloing sorry for ford when he annonced he was dying

what we're your feelings?

[ILLYRIAN]

Different people have different views on death, I see it as a part of life and not a problem.
As far as I was concerned Ford didn't deserved any pity, he was willing to kill another.

[TabulaRasa]

I felt very sorry for Ford but killing people is wrong. So I thought he should be punished for what he was doing. I mean come one, handing over a friend from school so you can be turned into a vamp. Knowing full well she will be killed. That's just well...wrong. But most people aren't really ok with the fact they are going to die, especially at a young age. I def am not ready to die and I think I would want the same way out that he chose. But I wouldn't put other people in danger for it. Atleast I hope I wouldn't.

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

i cant really feel sorry for someone who puts others in danger for selfish reasons.

[definition of insane]

I'm agreeing with everyone else here....so he's gonna die but he is more than willing to sacrifice others so that he'll stay pretty? Not cool.

But that was the point of this ep, wasn't it? To prove what some people will do to survive isn't necessarily going to be a good thing, right?

[Jules]

It's a shame that no one explained to him that being turned into a vampire would mean he dies anyway, that a demon would take over his body and he would be gone. Did I feel sorry for him? No, but I can understand where he was coming from. He thought he had the opportunity to live, some people would be able to bloke out the guilt that you were living because someone else is dead. I don't think Ford was evil, I think he was just incredibly desperate and scared. For him to be able to sacrifice a friend was his hight of desperation.

[Fake Shemp]

im confused becuase my mum just watched it (my sister is 20 and we've eventually persuaded her to watch the show... she was very stubborn... but who wouldnt wanna watch buffy) anywhos my mum is confused because she said the vamps killed Ford flatout and there was none of that "they suck your blood, you suck theres" with him so how come he's a vamp at the end of the episode? im annoyed cause i know how we all like to smoothe out mistakes or innacuricies as fans lol..... i said that they just did so there... ok not a solid defense i know. please help i need to put the mominator right

[RockManic]

Spike, or one of the other vamps, definitely would have sired Ford. We didn't get to see it onscreen (probably to try and surprise the viewer when he attacked Buffy at the end) but it would certainly have happened. No doubt about that.

So basically you are right. It wasn't shown but Ford was sired at some point after Buffy left.

[Fake Shemp]

thank you thats what i said that the deal was that he was going to get turned into a vamp and it woulda happened off screen, my mum said spike said they were going to kill them all, but as Ford knew that, that was the deal. all the vamp fans get killed in exchange for him to be turned.

[RockManic]

I doubt that Spike changed Ford because of any deal he had made though, if I'm honest. He wouldn't care about breaking his word to Ford. He probably only did it because he knew that it would mean that Buffy would then have to kill someone she cared about. Definitely more Spike's style. ;)

[Fake Shemp]

oh one of spikes lackeys, spike dosent really do deals like that lol

[angelchick182]

I feel sorry him, or anyone for that matter, having to die at such a young age - it's horrible and unfair. That said, there's no way anyone can justify giving up the lives of others to save their own. He knew good and well that the vamps would not only kill Buffy, but everyone else in the cellar - which in my mind, makes him a monster before he was ever turned into a vampire. Like Buffy said - "you HAVE a choice...it's not a good choice - but you have a choice."

[GATEGOD]

I loved Ford's character. It was so sad and depressing for him. He obviously was terrified of dieing, only to die anyways. Very sad.

[littlewilly]

I had no sympathy at all for him, he was willing to get a club full of people killed, plus he just generally acted shady.

[untouched]

It's sad when someone has a terminal disease, and it's really unfair. But when you have a disease like that you should fight it if you can and if not you have to spend the rest of your life enjoying it, making it worth it, not kill your friends in order so you can live. That's why i didn't like Ford. He semeed a really nice guy, but doing that doesn't make him nice at all.

[IdiotJed]

Sorry for ressurecting old threads, but I'm watching season 2 over again.

Anyway, I did feel sorry for him and the truth is that no one knows what they would do in that situation. You can be the most morally just and right person ever in the world, but get handed a death sentence could very possibly negate all of that. The human instinct is survival and that's what he wanted to do is survive no matter what the consequences. The fear of death is one thing but to actually face it is an entirely different entity. As an outsider, I can say that I wouldn't do that, but living inside a diseased and faulty body with an expiration date and seeing a 'way out' (even though we know it's not) by turning into a vampire, I can't say I wouldn't take it.

[PurplePoof]

I can understand Ford's desperation but the fact he was willing to sell out Buffy and let numerous innocent people die was just plain selfish. The kid deserved his grisly end, but I liked that the episode explored a more ambiguous morality...