James

[GATEGOD]

Don't you feel for James? I do. Angel killed the one person he truly loved with all his heart. :cry: it was sad

ANGEL: How's that, invincible boy, huh? Is that your idea of love, James, hmm? It's not real unless it kills, you?

JAMES: Yeah. What's yours? It's fun as long as it doesn't cost me anything? You don't know what love is! You think you won just because you're still alive? I lived. You just existed.

James was in the right! He should have killed Angel : king :

no? eh but him staying alive to remember it forever is justice

[Keanoite]

To remember what forever?

[Kana]

The guilt? I doubt it really. Although Angel loves guilt I don't think he would feel that bad for killing a soulless sadistic vamp like Elisabeth, although he wondered if James was right about love and that losing Buffy should have killed him and everything inside him. I think it has to do with different interpretations of love. James did everything to the extreme and was a romantic figure.

Angel is an ensoulled champion so his definition of love is to go on fighting and honouring the woman he loved.

[Keanoite]

A part of me wants him to be like that, inconsolable, but I think ultimately he has to go on, just like Buffy did when she killed him. I'd love to know what he did for those three months though. How the grief affected him.

[Buffy obsessed fan]

*Coughs* Uhm, awkward, but...who's James?

[Keanoite]

The vamp from the first ep of season 3 Angel? he gets his heart removed after Angel kills his lady love?

[TabulaRasa]

Well you will always feel bad for someone, whether they are good or bad, if they have lost someone they truly love. I would have wanted to kill Angel also. I feel for the guy I really do. If this show wasn't about Angel I would have wanted him to kill Angel.

[WickedWillow]

If someone killed my spouse, I don't see how I couldn't kill that person for it. So I do feel bad for him in that respect.

[Kana]

I would feel worse for James if I thought he wouldn't tear my flesh apart without a second thought. If I were Angel, I would have done the same thing.

I don't doubt that James loved Elisabeth but he expressed it in the way he would everything else in his life. James was hurting but so was Angel he just didn't get his heart cut out. He carried on with the grief and wanted to help other people.

Just because Angel didn't do what James did, doesn't mean he didn't grieve. I'd want to see justice served (which would be a slippery slope if my lover was a sadistic vamp) but more than anything I'd want to honour the wishes of the person I loved. Buffy wanted the people who loved her to be brave and live. That's what Angel did.

[Keanoite]

I would feel worse for James if I thought he wouldn't tear my flesh apart without a second thought. If I were Angel, I would have done the same thing.

I don't doubt that James loved Elisabeth but he expressed it in the way he would everything else in his life. James was hurting but so was Angel he just didn't get his heart cut out. He carried on with the grief and wanted to help other people.

Just because Angel didn't do what James did, doesn't mean he didn't grieve. I'd want to see justice served (which would be a slippery slope if my lover was a sadistic vamp) but more than anything I'd want to honour the wishes of the person I loved. Buffy wanted the people who loved her to be brave and live. That's what Angel did.

I agree, and I think Angel handled it better than he expected because I think he knew she would have went to heaven (unlike some people), he knew she was happy, that kept him going.

[WickedWillow]

You would hope that's the reason. Sometimes you don't realize you can move on until you have to. Then you feel bad, but with no reason to. This is life...Angel had to understand that.

[Keanoite]

I think he did. She was the reason he started to fight, he was doing the right thing honouring her. A lot of people argue that he didn't grieve her like she did for him, but he hadn't sent her to Hell, she didn't have the comfort of knowing he was ok, she was haunted every night by nightmares assuring her that he was anything but ok.

[palabravampiress]

I felt really bad for James.

From his perspective, Angel was his former mentor and friend. And this former mentor and friend, who now kills his own kind, has made a victim of James' wife. I don't know if they were married or not. I don't even know if vamps can get married. But dude. They were together and in love for centuries. Wife.

Anyway, imagine if someone who used to be your friend and mentor became a serial killer and then took out your wife for stopping to buy a burger at McDonalds. Perhaps the killer has a moral issue with the treatment of the cattle that end up in the burgers. Wouldn't some small part of you, at the very least, feel the willingness to give up anything -- even your life -- to avenge your wife's death?

[Cordelia Chase*]

okay...hamburgers?????

Anyways, i dont think that has anything to do with Angel killing James "Girl". He just thought it was any old vampire but after he actually staked her he realized who it was.

[Kana]

Well the whole hamburger thing is interesting though, vampires do have more complex relationships with humans and many don't feel guilty for killing their own kind. James actually cannot understand or believe Angel has changed at all. He still thinks he's the same guy who'd give them up without a thought but ironically he kills vamps because he cares more than he ever did.

[Buffy obsessed fan]

The vamp from the first ep of season 3 Angel? he gets his heart removed after Angel kills his lady love?

Oooh, I remember him now =]