When You Kiss Me, I Want to Die

[Blondie Bear]

I'm confused about this line (from "Reptile Boy"). The way I see it, there are at least two possible interpretations:

1. Buffy's insulting Angel: "Kissing you makes me feel so gross I wish I was dead"; or
2. She's being overly dramatic: "Kissing you is so wonderful that life might as well end now because it will never be this good again."

I'm not saying that she ACTUALLY feels either way, but that's what she may be SAYING.

I can see it going either way.

What do you all think?

[VisionGuy]

I think that is the worst line ever. One of the reasons I don't like Bangel.

Runs from Bangels

[palabravampiress]

I think she's just being a melodramatic teenager.

Alternately, since he's dead, it could mean she wants to be like/with him forever.

[Keanoite]

I go back and forth on that line alot. Sometimes I think she is being a dramaqueen and saying that his kiss is so unbelievable she wants to die because nothing can ever compare. Then other times I think she wants to die to be like him, so they can have their vamp fairytale and then sometimes I think she wants to piss him off. So basically I don't know!

I know I know...I'm a font of nothing!

[palabravampiress]

That's okay, Keanoite. I don't think any of us know. I'm gonna go with VisionGuy and say it's one of the rare crappy lines in the Buffyverse. It's sort of like a soap opera line. You just want to pull a Malcolm Reynolds and yell, "What does that even MEAN?!"

[Keanoite]

That's okay, Keanoite. I don't think any of us know. I'm gonna go with VisionGuy and say it's one of the rare crappy lines in the Buffyverse. It's sort of like a soap opera line. You just want to pull a Malcolm Reynolds and yell, "What does that even MEAN?!"

I know, it is a very rare thing for them to have such a stinker!

[palabravampiress]

I know, it is a very rare thing for them to have such a stinker!

One of my favorite stinkers is, "Our love is like FIRE, Emily!" It's from GH, of course. My best friend and I quote that back at each other whenever we hear an incredibly cheesy line. Other favorites (coincidentally, all from the same character) are, "I hope you enjoyed yourself... because you're dead to me, now," "He's dead inside," and "I love my wife -- inside (dramatic hand gestures) -- even more than she loves me!" Some of these, you just had to see, but they crack me up.

Buffy's line fits right in with those.

[Joyce Summers]

I think it just summed up the romantic Romeo and Juliet-esque drama that was Buffy and Angel's relationship. I did always see it though as she meant when she kissed him she loved him so much that she'd be willing to be turned just to be with him. Dangerous stuff. Romantic and potentially over dramatic (I say potentially because I'm such an ole romantic that I, shamefully, love anything like this), but dangerous and deadly too....

[Blondie Bear]

I hadn't thought about that angle ("I want to be with you forever, please make me a vampire, too"), though it seems out of place for that particular conversation. She was grouchy with him for "not taking her seriously" and "treating her like a child" (hence her actions later in the episode), so would she really make such a loaded, commitment-filled statement? Hmmm.

[palabravampiress]

I didn't take it that way in the episode. In the episode, I thought she was just being a melodramatic teenager. When I saw that line slightly out of context (in this thread instead of in the episode), though, I picked up on that possible layer of meaning.

[Keanoite]

Although I do think she was naive as to what a relationship with Angel really would entail, I also think that she knew that they weren't going to be Zack and Kelly and live happily ever after, didn't stop her wanting it though. I think she said it to mean she loved so much that she wants to die form the passion of kissing him and didn't realise really what she was saying, or maybe she did. The look on her face, she seemed to know exactly what she meant...now if she could just fill the rest of us in, that'd be great!

[white avenger]

Although I do think she was naive as to what a relationship with Angel really would entail, I also think that she knew that they weren't going to be Zack and Kelly and live happily ever after, didn't stop her wanting it though. I think she said it to mean she loved so much that she wants to die form the passion of kissing him and didn't realise really what she was saying, or maybe she did. The look on her face, she seemed to know exactly what she meant...now if she could just fill the rest of us in, that'd be great!


Or maybe she was just commenting on Angel's kissing skills?

[Blondie Bear]

I read once that Sarah and David had a "gross out" contest before their first on screen kiss. They ate and drank all sorts of things to make their brath absolutely foul. Maybe that's what she was really referring to

Yeah, Joss mentioned that in the commentary on that episode. (Yes, I am a loser with nothing better to do with my time [besides schoolwork] than watch Buffy commentary.) It made me appreciate even more a) how much fun they must have had on set; and b) what good actors the two of them are.

[Buffy obsessed fan]

The way she says it, I presume it's a time when she's not likin' him, though I haven't seen this episode in a long while, so I can't quite remember.

[Keanoite]

Yeah, Joss mentioned that in the commentary on that episode. (Yes, I am a loser with nothing better to do with my time [besides schoolwork] than watch Buffy commentary.) It made me appreciate even more a) how much fun they must have had on set; and b) what good actors the two of them are.

Hey! Joss's commentaries are hilarious!! did you see the one for Innocence? It's laugh out loud funny, especially the thing about Tony Head and his pants:L

[alexa]

This is one of my favourite bangel lines, and it took me years to understand it. My interpretation is that when she's with Angel she knows they can't really be together, so a part of her wishes she was dead (a vampire as well). The theory about that has been floating around for a while, as other people have mentioned.
It's beautiful and sad... pretty much their relationship all tied up in that statement because it's ultimately doomed (..until he becomes human!! I hope ;)).
Trying to make some art from that moment, but it's just looking crap so far.

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

i thought she meant it like "i want to die because i know how wrong this all is and that would be the only way to end my love for you"

[greetings]

Wow, I thought I was the only one who didn't really get that line.

I didn't really think that much into it, I just sort of took it as being dramatic, saying it because she thought it would hurt his feelings.
Plus, if you don't try to enterpret it too much, it sounds pretty cool and poetic. I guess maybe the writers just thought of it and then said 'Okay, we'll go with that.'

[Old Master 3.0]

Perhaps she meant his breath. That undead, 250 year-old halitosis has got to be pretty effin' noxious. I'm surprised she DIDN'T die.

My apologies. :p In a silly mood today. Please carry on with the regularly scheduled thread already in progress.......

[Blondie Bear]

Perhaps she meant his breath. That undead, 250 year-old halitosis has got to be pretty effin' noxious. I'm surprised she DIDN'T die.

My apologies. :p In a silly mood today. Please carry on with the regularly scheduled thread already in progress.......

That would jive with the discussion in another thread that Angel couldn't give her CPR because vampire air is diseased and nasty. . . .
:thought:

[Dlou444]

Yeah, I always thought it was a comment meaning that she wanted him to turn her. And I always wondered why Angel never came back with a long tirade about how horrible it is to be a vampire.

[white avenger]

Buffy to Angel--"When you kiss me, I want to die."

Buffy to Spike--"I can't love you...and it's killing me."

Do you maybe get that this chick has some kind of a problem distinguishing between love and death?

[willow23]

When I hear that line I want to die.

It is, perhaps, the line bothers me the most in the entire series.

[Tranquillity]

oh yeah, love and sex and death are so mixed up for this chick. When Angel kisses her she wants to die, yet her love for him makes him feel alive - its oh so sad and tragic (and a little bit overblown - she was a teenager at the time) but certainly signals the 'doomed' nature of the romance.

[FaithyFivebyFive]

This line bothers me too, I've never quite... Got it. Do you think whoever wrote the line got it? Do they have any idea how much Buffy fans 'huh' it and question it and really don't like it, Bangel supporter or not?

[Keanoite]

I think it was David Greenwalt who worte it and apparently Joss loved it. He thought it was so perfectly Bangel. Apparently it is so supposed to be obvious what she meant. Personally I am still drawing blank!

Edit:

white avenger agrees: She was talking about his kissing technique. Somewhere between a dead fish and a sexualy aroused camel with halitosis.

WA really it is so sad that you are still so threatened by Angel. If you ever need to talk you know I'm here for you:tongue:

[white avenger]

I think it was David Greenwalt who worte it and apparently Joss loved it. He thought it was so perfectly Bangel. Apparently it is so supposed to be obvious what she meant. Personally I am still drawing blank!

Edit:



WA really it is so sad that you are still so threatened by Angel. If you ever need to talk you know I'm here for you:tongue:


Angel's no threat, darlin', he's comedy relief. I've seen more passion between turtles mating (Now, stick that tongue back in that pretty little mouth before your face freezes that way).

[Keanoite]

Angel's no threat, darlin', he's comedy relief. I've seen more passion between turtles mating (Now, stick that tongue back in that pretty little mouth before your face freezes that way).

I'm touced by your concern;)...and speaking of touchy we will just leave this topic alone. I know how it works you up:D

[Randy Giles]

That line is so unbelievably cheesy and melodramatic I can't believe Sarah actually was able to say that and keep a straight face. If I ever watched that episode with a friend I would blush from embarrassment, both for myself AND the show.

[white avenger]

I've taken a whole day to calm down, and I STILL think Angel has the romantic appeal of paint drying, but since I'm not an over imaginative inexperienced teen aged girl who never really had anything to compare Angel's lip technique to, I'll defer to Buffy's limited judgment in this matter (I mean, before you've ever had prime beef, hot dogs still taste pretty good. The poor girl just hadn't gotten to the main course yet.) That much unbridled passion would put a child like her into a coma.

[Keanoite]

She seemed to handle all that unbridled passion just fine during her smoochfests with Angel in season 2 & 3, which by the way were hot! alot more than that excuse for kissing she engaged in with that no lips peroxide disappiontment!

[Blondie Bear]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one, Miss K, sorry. I hate the Buffy-Angel makeout scenes. It's the smacking. It makes me shudder. But then, I can't listen to people eat, either, so it might just be a personal issue. Spike and Buffy didn't slurp nearly as much.

[Keanoite]

Spike and Buffy didn't slurp nearly as much.

Oh they sooo did! Just ask Giles!

[Blondie Bear]

I said AS MUCH. Doesn't mean there wasn't slurping. It just wasn't as constant.

[white avenger]

"...no lips peroxide disappointment..."? And you're accusin' ME of getting worked up! And just for the record, darlin', it's Angel that lurks, also sneaks, slithers, and slinks. Spike and I stalk, like great jungle cats, masters of our domain.

[Keanoite]

No I think you mean stalks like vultures, preying on the weak or you know the EMOTIONALLY UNSTABLE!!!!!

[white avenger]

No I think you mean stalks like vultures, preying on the weak or you know the EMOTIONALLY UNSTABLE!!!!!

(There's medication that'll help you with that, darlin'. You really oughta try some, what with your new responsibilities an' all...) Oh, and vultures don't stalk, they soar.

Okay, now, let's try a little public poll:

How many of you kind and gentle readers think Buffy and Angel ever in the three seasons before Ol' Broody left the show shared any single kiss that was the equal of that smacker at the end of "Once More With Feeling"? Consider carefully, now, there may be a prize comin' outa this...

[Keanoite]

Easy in Revelations, that kiss was hot!

[white avenger]

You're tryin' to compare a kitchen match to a bonfire, Miss K. Sure, the match bill burn you, but a bonfire...that's DEVASTATION, baby! That's pure Spuffy devastation. Five alarm, call out the whole fire department and send in the National Guard, ain't nothin' on earth gonna contain it, let alone stop it, DEVASTATION!!!

[Keanoite]

I think your over selling that OMWF kiss a tad WA...it really wasn't that hot, tepid maybe...

[Dlou444]

At NO point did Buffy and Angel EVER have a decent kiss. Personally, I like the one in OMWF AND the insane "Tear the building down" make out session. Angel couldn't beat those even with a big fat wooden stake.
Although, Angel and Cordy had some good scenes...even if they were imaginary.

[white avenger]

At NO point did Buffy and Angel EVER have a decent kiss. Personally, I like the one in OMWF AND the insane "Tear the building down" make out session. Angel couldn't beat those even with a big fat wooden stake.
Although, Angel and Cordy had some good scenes...even if they were imaginary.

There's one for my side of the score card, Miss K.

[Tranquillity]

I love the kiss at the end of OMWF! I also love the one at the end of Tabula Rasa - that was really hot.

Easy in Revelations, that kiss was hot!

Remind me, what was that kiss again?

[white avenger]

That's two

(And by the way, Tranq, you're missin Sarah Connor)

[definition of insane]

The kiss at the end of OMWF looks like they were trying to eat each other! And not the good, wholesome, "I think that vampire is hot" kinda way.

What was the point of this thread again? Oh yeah...melodrama. Tonnes of it. Because nothing makes you wanna die more when you're 16 knowing that you're in this relationship that you know, ultimately won't work but that you can't let go of. Or something.

[white avenger]

The kiss at the end of OMWF looks like they were trying to eat each other! And not the good, wholesome, "I think that vampire is hot" kinda way.

What was the point of this thread again? Oh yeah...melodrama. Tonnes of it. Because nothing makes you wanna die more when you're 16 knowing that you're in this relationship that you know, ultimately won't work but that you can't let go of. Or something.


I'll take that as one for the Bangels...

That's 2 for me and the Spuffies and 1 for Miss K and the Bangels

(You're catchin' up, darlin')

[Dlou444]

My husband's not a member...but he has input. And although, he's seen all of Angel many times, only up to about midway through season 3 of Buffy. (which means he hasn't even SEEN Buffy kiss Spike) and even HE says there is absolutely NOTHING of value in any sort of "lovey-dovey" scene that has Buffy and Angel in it. In fact, he says it makes "roll his eyes and go take a bathroom break".
Does that help the poll at all?

[white avenger]

My husband's not a member...but he has input. And although, he's seen all of Angel many times, only up to about midway through season 3 of Buffy. (which means he hasn't even SEEN Buffy kiss Spike) and even HE says there is absolutely NOTHING of value in any sort of "lovey-dovey" scene that has Buffy and Angel in it. In fact, he says it makes "roll his eyes and go take a bathroom break".
Does that help the poll at all?


If nobody objects because of the gentleman's non member status, I will make the count:


Spuff--3 and Bang--1


(And for heaven's sake, girl, show your husband how Spike gets the job done!)

[palabravampiress]

My husband's not a member...but he has input. And although, he's seen all of Angel many times, only up to about midway through season 3 of Buffy. (which means he hasn't even SEEN Buffy kiss Spike) and even HE says there is absolutely NOTHING of value in any sort of "lovey-dovey" scene that has Buffy and Angel in it. In fact, he says it makes "roll his eyes and go take a bathroom break".
Does that help the poll at all?

I'm a Spuffy fan, but I don't think there's *nothing* of value in Bangel. It was the right story for a teenage girl. That's why Romeo and Juliet works so well as a story. That's what young teen love is like (or, rather, what you want it to be like) when you're a young girl. The idea of the kind of all-consuming, romantic, eternal love for which you'd gladly die is really enticing. I think Bangel is exactly what it's supposed to be: the story of forbidden love. It's the cautionary fairy tale. It's Romeo and Juliet. It's an overblown metaphor for the real and intense teen love/angst feelings that many of us experience.

Now that I'm older, that makes me roll my eyes. But it was right for Buffy at that time.

I disagree with most Bangels that because Buffy had that love with Angel, she can't seem to ever love anyone properly or completely again. I maintain that Buffy had with Spike a real, complicated, adult kind of love. She herself admits her love twice. And we see it in the acting and the staging and we hear it between the lines, too. I don't disagree with Bangels on the value of that relationship; rather, I disagree with Bangels on the longevity of it. I don't think anything about Bangel, a relationship that is firmly in the past by the events of Chosen, has the ability to negate or belittle any feeling existing between Buffy and Spike during the "current" events of Chosen. I think both loves are valid; I don't think one cancels the other out.

I guess I don't see it as a contest. Or, if I do see it as a contest, then I think Angel is well and truly out of the running by Chosen.

[GATEGOD]

If nobody objects because of the gentleman's non member status, I will make the count:


Spuff--3 and Bang--1


(And for heaven's sake, girl, show your husband how Spike gets the job done!)

It might be 3-2.. I don't know I think I'm still standing on the fence and nearly tumbling over to the Bangel side. Nothing confirmed yet though

[Dlou444]

(And for heaven's sake, girl, show your husband how Spike gets the job done!)

We're making our way through the DVDs. I'm holding Comic Books hostage until he's done. It seems to be working nicely. He's seen OMWF.

He seems to be of the opinion that Angel's a big wimp while he's on Buffy. And it appears that he lays the blame fully on Buffy for that. I think he could handle the "Buffy's a teenager and acting like one" but he seems to believe that Buffy acting like a love-sick teenager is making Angel act like one too. That seems to be the part he hates. (And the slurping...he did mention that.)
Although, he did get a HUGE kick out of the scene after he turns into Angelus and Buffy comes to find him in his apartment and he's so mean to her. He laughed like a hyena.
I'm gonna take a stand and say he's FIRMLY against Bangel.

[definition of insane]

I agree with PV in terms of the relationship side of things...it's not a contest.

Kissing wise...I don't know...Bangel looks more comfortable? More romantic? Less desparation and "smacking" as Giles so rightly put it.

But then maybe if I were getting kissed like that I wouldn't care what it looked like either :p

[white avenger]

I agree with PV in terms of the relationship side of things...it's not a contest.

Kissing wise...I don't know...Bangel looks more comfortable? More romantic? Less desparation and "smacking" as Giles so rightly put it.

But then maybe if I were getting kissed like that I wouldn't care what it looked like either :p



Look at it this way: Angel's kiss is a Diet Coke. Spike is a triple deluxe chocolate milk shake with whipped cream and two cherries on top. One's better for your diet, and the other's pure unadulterated sin. Which do you prefer?

Edit:

Folks, on reading back on this thread, I see that I have led us all astray from the original subject again, and I guess that I should apologize. I honestly don't start out to do this, it just winds up happening, especially when I start verbally sparring with Miss K. It was bad enough when we were just two people participating in a mutually cared for subject, but now, if I understand the lady's new duties, it's her job to keep these things on subject, and the very last thing I would ever want to do is get a friend in trouble. Therefore, if no one objects, I would like to concede the point :Angel kisses like a house on fire and every time he does, Buffy melts like a birthday candle.

And Miss K, I promise you that if I stray off subject again (and you KNOW I will, I'm a Spuffy addict) I will take no offense whatsoever if you do your job and smack me between the eyes with a baseball bat if that's what it takes to straighten me out.

Once again, my most sincere apologies to everyone who were trying to carry on an interesting conversation only to be interrupted by an old man's obsession.

[FaithyFivebyFive]

"When most Buffy fans hear this quote, they want to die..."

[Keanoite]

WA my darlin' thank you for being so thoughtfull and getting this thread back on it's tracks:D and I will raise my hands up and admit that I totally helped derailing it! but remember folks this is about the infamous line so lets keep it focused ladies and gents!

[VisionGuy]

"When most Buffy fans hear this quote, they want to die..."

I remember when I heard the quote I wanted to die. The funny part is that when she says it she doesn't walk away. She RUNS away. Almost like she's embarrased herself that she said it. LOL

[Dlou444]

(Sneaking in because I know this is off topic again)

definition of insane agrees: I would prefer the chocolate milkshake...but I think I'd prefer watching the diet coke....does that make sense? lol

I just got to say it's comforting that DOI would prefer to NOT watch other people's chocolate milkshake fun. It's comforting to know I'm not hanging out with pervert voyeurs. And, if we weren't talking TV (and network TV at that) I'd agree WHOLE HEARTEDLY. In fact, I don't even think I like watching other people's Diet Cokes either.

(Okay, ducking and running out....go back on topic everyone and ignore the off topic woman in the black cloak!)

[palabravampiress]

I remember when I heard the quote I wanted to die. The funny part is that when she says it she doesn't walk away. She RUNS away. Almost like she's embarrased herself that she said it. LOL

Nice observation, VG.

I think the weirdest thing about this line is that it's supposed to be romantic when, really, it's sort of creepifying. I mean, a kiss that makes you want to die? Not of the healthy.

[Keanoite]

I honestly can't make head nor tail of this line and what baffles me even more is that Joss thought it was so perfect!

[GATEGOD]

I honestly can't make head nor tail of this line and what baffles me even more is that Joss thought it was so perfect!

:lurking: Maybe it is and it's so complex that only he can comprehend it's greatness.

[Keanoite]

:lurking: Maybe it is and it's so complex that only he can comprehend it's greatness.

That's just no fair!

[definition of insane]

I think I get it...but the more I read into it the less I get it.

Being all slayer-y and everything, at 16 she's got this simplistic knowledge that kissing vampires and enjoying it is kinda wrong and goes against her nature. So it's bad. But she can't stop and being an overly dramatic person, she wishes she didn't have to deal with the situation and that leads to saying that she wants to die when he kisses her.

So then she gets older, realises it's more complex and stops being to dramatic about such things.

I don't know.....lol

[white avenger]

If memory serves, there was another line quite similar to this about the time Angel was leaving Sunnydale "For Buffy's own good" where somebody asks her how she's holding up, and she wails, "I'm just trying to keep from dying!" Really. now, remember Spike's statement about Slayers and their death wishes?

[VisionGuy]

"I'm just trying to keep from dying!"

YES! That was another one that made me go, "Um.. okay." *click*

[Blondie Bear]

That made more sense, though. That was right after the love of her life had just broken up with her and announced his intention to leave. That's devastating. Something similar happened to me once, and I was just trying to keep from dying. I went nearly catatonic for a few hours (I think; I can't really remember), and then went through a state where I was completely numb and uncaring. I didn't eat anything for a couple of days, then HARDLY anything for months. Lost 40 pounds in about 2 months and kept losing (ultimately went from a size 14 to a 2). So I completely understand what she meant when she said "I'm just trying to keep from dying" and "I feel like I can't breathe."

[Keanoite]

I'm with Blondie...that line makes perfect sense. Angel leaving was in some ways worse than when he died because he was CHOOSING to go. That is absolutely heartbreaking when the person you see as your future tells you your not theirs.

[VisionGuy]

Maybe it's different for men and women. I've lost somebody like that and I missed them sure, but I didn't feel like I was going to die. Life goes on, loves come and go.

[Jules]

The When you kiss me, I want to die quote has never made sense to me. Its not something I've tried to work out. If I've not understood it after watching the episode 10 times I try to let it go lol I really can't get my head around it. I never thought Buffy was referring to Angel turning her and them living happily ever after. But other than that I can't make out why she said it.

With regards to I'm just trying to keep from dying quote, I like that one. I think its perfectly understandable. A teenage girl breaking up with her first love for the first time must feel like the end of the world.

Oh, and with regards to Bangel kisses, I don't think you can beat Angel season 1 IWRY!!

[Keanoite]

I'm not sure if it's different for men and women or just different for different people...I know fella's who have been absolutely heartbroken after break-ups and felt like they couldn't go on.

[Dlou444]

As for the turning her part, I think that is part of what it is supposed to mean. But, more of a....(brace yourself for a long sentence)
"Kissing you makes me wish this wasn't I'm the Slayer/You're the Vampire relationship...and if I died (either undead and even dead dead) the internal conflict would be over and I could be happy."

[VisionGuy]

As for the turning her part, I think that is part of what it is supposed to mean. But, more of a....(brace yourself for a long sentence)
"Kissing you makes me wish this wasn't I'm the Slayer/You're the Vampire relationship...and if I died (either undead and even dead dead) the internal conflict would be over and I could be happy."

Now if she said that, I would have been happy. LOL

[Jules]

It definitely would have cleared things up, but if I had to put a meaning on it I would go with the fact that she's sick of things being so complicated. She just wants this to fix itself, for the awkwardness to be over and them to either be a couple or not.

[angeldork]

I think that this was a time where Buffy was being dramatic. Angel was telling her what she wanted and what she shouldn't do. She was getting tired to everybody telling her what she wants and what she should do.

[hannahfngrl26]

I think when she used the term "When you kiss me I want to die" it most likely means that she would not care what happened in that moment, i.e. her dead is not so big a deal.

[LifeIsJustThis]

I think what Buffy meant about this was that when she kisses Angel, she forgets about all practality, and is willing to give herself fully to him (symbolically). After all, she didn't hesitate to let him frink from her to save his life after Faith shot him with a poisioned arrow (season 3). I don't think that she means that she litterly wants to die (like, become a vampire) but that she just knows how doomed their relationship is from the start. She'd rather "die" then lvei without him. Get it?

[BASBritt]

Being a teenage girl around the same age as Buffy's character, and going through some of the same emotions she experienced on the show, I can definitely understand why the writers may have had her say those things, but I also agree that sometimes I had to roll my eyes and go "Ok, overdramatic?" I guess it just depends on my mood when I rewatch those eps now... At the time, being a 16-year-old girl, I didn't think those lines were silly at all, but now being 26 and knowing what I know now, I kind of laugh them off.

[SpoonsAreCool]

I like the line, sure, it's melodramatic, but that's the fun of it. I'm melodramatic (in a funny way), the next time a dog licks my face I'm going to say it.."When you kiss me, I want to die." Bloody dogs.

[white avenger]

"When you kiss me, I want to die."

"I;m just trying to keep from dying."

"I can't love you...and it's killing me."

This thread has been around for almost an entire year, ani I STILL think that all three statements were made by a melodramatic, immature girl with a death fixation. Satsu might just be the best thing that ever happened to her. (Though I have my personal doubts)

[SpoonsAreCool]

"When you kiss me, I want to die."

"I;m just trying to keep from dying."

"I can't love you...and it's killing me."

This thread has been around for almost an entire year, ani I STILL think that all three statements were made by a melodramatic, immature girl with a death fixation.

But, she's a slayer, doesn't that explain her death fixation?

But yeah, very melodramatic, and funny statements.

[wiccianslayer]

(There's medication that'll help you with that, darlin'. You really oughta try some, what with your new responsibilities an' all...) Oh, and vultures don't stalk, they soar.

Okay, now, let's try a little public poll:

How many of you kind and gentle readers think Buffy and Angel ever in the three seasons before Ol' Broody left the show shared any single kiss that was the equal of that smacker at the end of "Once More With Feeling"? Consider carefully, now, there may be a prize comin' outa this...

I can think of one I will remember you the kitchen scene that was pretty hot.

I know, I know I'm shameful as a Spuffy Shipper.

Getting back on track and i should really read threads all the way through before replying.

When i first heard that line i was like "WHAT? WHAT IN HELL DID SHE MEAN BY THAT?" After much consideration i came to the conclusion that she meant when he kisses her she wants to be turned in to a vampire just so she could be with him.

[willow23]

"When you kiss me, I want to die."

"I;m just trying to keep from dying."

"I can't love you...and it's killing me."

This thread has been around for almost an entire year, ani I STILL think that all three statements were made by a melodramatic, immature girl with a death fixation.

I agree. The first and second one of those are two of my least favorite lines in the Buffyverse. I physically tighten up when I know they are forthcoming.

[Lindsey McDonald]

Er...you guys do the other meaning of the verb "to die", don't you? You know, the Shakespearian one? That might be why Joss liked the line so much. It's Buffy being melodramatic-teenage-girl, Bangel being all Romeo & Juliet, and some nice foreshadowing of Angel losing his soul. Keeping that definition in consideration helps me keep faith in the writers anyway.

Or maybe I just have a dirty mind.

[hazzard]

i liked all of these lines. yes, they're dramatic and yes, buffy is young, but she's also the slayer. there comes with that a maturity and a wisdom and a sense of duty that other 16 year olds don't have. i thought the buffy/angel relationship was passionate and desperate and beautiful--those lines help the beauty of it. i prefer buffy/spike, but angel and buffy will always be fighting with the love they have for one another, and i think those lines express the gravity of the situation nicely.