AAtF Canon Watch (spoilers for current issue)

[Allycat]

Credits to N4H for the concept of a Canon Watch. If you read the Buffy one, you know the drill. This thread is supposed to list the facts of the Buffyverse canon as it is changed by Angel: After the Fall. Feel free to add anything. Hopefully, I can add some pictures next time.

#01 Chapter 1
Following or during the NFA-battle Wolfram & Hart sent LA to Hell.
Initially Angel was unable to move, thanks to something W&H did, so he had to sit by and let LA get run over by the demons.
It's been there for a number of months.
Angel has teamed up with the Dragon; he rides it.
Wesley appears in an incorporeal form. He is currently Wolfram & Hart's LA Branch' only employee. (He is still dead though.)
Connor, Gwen, and Nina provide shelter to human Angel saves.
The moon and the sun are both out at the same time.
This allows vampires to walk in daylight.
But it puts werewolves, such as Nina, in a sort of semi-feral state.
The LA area is divided up into different domains, each belonging to a different demon Lord. Burge is the Lord of Downtown LA. Kr'ph was the Lord of Westwood, until Gunn murdered him.
Gunn has been turned into a vampire. He runs a gang of vampires called Team Gunn.
Angel trying to find a way out of hell, for which he needs "the right firepower", a glowing gem Gunn obtains from Kr'ph.

#02 Chapter Two
Connor's safehouse is in Santa Monica.
Angel refers to Nina as his ex.
Kozlow proclaims himself Lord of Westwood, but he's eaten. The position remains vacant.
Angel's inability to move lasted a few weeks. He hasn't had contact with Connor since.
Gunn has it in for Angel. He believes himself to be one of the good guys, while he thinks Angel is the bad guy.
The glowing gem is called the "Eye of Ramras"; it amplifies power.
On the scene of Kr'ph's murder there is writing in Primordial Sanskrit (which appearantly Gunn and his gang know) in blood on the walls; Angel suspects Spike and Illyria.
Spike is the Lord of Beverly Hills. He resides in the Playboy Mansion where he is surrounded by women... and Illyria.

[white avenger]

The world may slip into chaos (well, Los Angeles) and at least Spike has his priorities straight!

[alexa]

One thing, not that it's a big deal, but I don't think that because the sun and moon are out at the same time has anything to do with vampires not going up in flames (technically the moon can be out at the same time as the sun on earth, we just can't see it very well because of the light). It's because they're in another dimension that the sun doesn't effect them the same way.

Also it isn't a given the Angel suspects Spike and Illyria. Seemed to me that he suspected Gunn, but went to Illyria because she would know primordial languages. Angel tells Spike that he needs to talk to her, not him. Anyway it's up for debate.

And haha :p Never occurred to me that Spike was in the Playboy mansion.

[Allycat]

They never confirm that they're in another dimension. Exactly how this LA in Hell works technically is never explained. But you are right, it might be that this sun doesn't affect vampires, like in Pylea. We'll have to see.

[Allycat]

#03
Hell is more humid than it is hot.
More clearly than before it is stated that the sun and moon are both out 24/7 in Hell. Werewolves are in a half-man/half-beast state. Vampires can walk in sunlight, but do feel like they're about to burst into flames.
Illyria is experiencing timeslips again. It is suggested, but not confirmed that this is because they're in Hell.
In one of her timeslips Illyria meets Angel as a much older-looking man in a futuristic setting.
The dragon destroys part of the Playboy Mansion.
Spike has been working with Connor; making rounds, saving humans. Since Connor's is full, Spike lets people stay at the mansion. He's also been training a group of women to fight.
Hell.A. has 10 Lords; namely, the Lords of Beverly Hills (Illyria), Burbank, Compton, Century City, Downtown Los Angeles (Burge), Santa Monica (he looks like Teeth, the Loan Shark, from "Tabula Rasa") , Sherman Oaks, Silverlake, Weho, Westwood (previously Kr'ph). The occasionaly meet in a secure location, but at their latest meeting Silverlake and Beverly Hills are absent... and obviously, Westwood is too.
Wolfram & Hart have ordered the demon lords not to kill Angel.
Angel challenges the demon lords for their domains. They agree to meet in two days after which he will fight their champions.
Angel is no longer a vampire. We don't know what he IS though.

[Allycat]

Brian Lynch just posted another podcast with answers to the questions from fans. Some updates to the Canon watch:

The Lord of Santa Monica is indeed Teeth, the loan shark, from Tabula Rasa.
W&H made Wesley a ghost rather than a corporeal walking dead (like Lilah and Holland) so that he can't really help Angel too much.
Spike is aware that Connor is Angel's son. Connor sees Spike as a sort-of uncle (and friend).

LINK: Myspace.com Blogs - Your Qs Totally Aed, part one! - brian lynch MySpace Blog (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=335358&blogID=350453331&indicate=1)

[crabby patty]

Thanks Allycat this has really helped me understand things a bit better

[Allycat]

#04

After the first heat of the NFA-battle was down; W&H put LA in Hell, presumably by means of teleportation, although it could be they sucked into Hell some other way and teleported Angel to a different location within LA. This was also the moment they turned Angel human AND they returned Wesley from the grave.
Angel says W&H turned him human, because he would benefit too much from his vampiric abilities. Although this might just be his theory, rather than fact.
We learn of a new special artifact called a "Hagun Shaft" it's a sort-of weapon (intended to commit suicide with) that kills an "immortal".
During one of Illyria's timeslips, we see Spike in his black leather jacket standing over a decapitated Spider in a futuristic setting (flying cars, á la Fray). Spike is holding a weapon that looks a lot like the Scythe (can't confirm if it is though.)
The Lord of Silverlake is Lorne. (Although he prefers not to be called that.)
Lorne is pleased to see Angel again. He does not seem to hold having to kill Lindsey over him anymore.
Female members of the demon-species Skip belonged to exist.
Groosalugg is in Hell. He rides a black winged-horse.
Gunn blows up the remains of the W&H office, which causes ghost Wesley to disappear.

[Clem Rocks]

#04

After the first heat of the NFA-battle was down; W&H put LA in Hell, presumably by means of teleportation, although it could be they sucked into Hell some other way and teleported Angel to a different location within LA. This was also the moment they turned Angel human AND they returned Wesley from the grave.

Doesn't the fact that Wes was already his old Watcher self and not confused about it suggest he was already back but was only then finding Angel?

[thegifting]

Doesn't the fact that Wes was already his old Watcher self and not confused about it suggest he was already back but was only then finding Angel?

I'm confused by everyone saying this- he's not old anything as far as I can tell. We saw him in the White Room, and in "A Hole In The World", when Charles gets beaten by 'himself', the 'cat' said, "The physical form of the conduit is determined by the viewer." Assuming that Wesley is now the conduit he may be subject to this, it'd be Angel's reasonings that he'd look the way he does. Also, the look most closely reminds me of 1.10 (I think it is), "Parting Gifts".

[Clem Rocks]

I'm confused by everyone saying this- he's not old anything as far as I can tell. We saw him in the White Room, and in "A Hole In The World", when Charles gets beaten by 'himself', the 'cat' said, "The physical form of the conduit is determined by the viewer." Assuming that Wesley is now the conduit he may be subject to this, it'd be Angel's reasonings that he'd look the way he does. Also, the look most closely reminds me of 1.10 (I think it is), "Parting Gifts".

Then the question is, is he the conduit or the liaison to the Senior Partners?

[Allycat]

Brian commented on this and he said that since he is the last representative of Wolfram & Hart, he tries to look the part. Although, I think that's probably not everything there is to it.

[Allycat]

Big issue, lots of interesting things.

#05


Wesley's disappearance was not caused by the destruction of the W&H office, but rather because the SP wanted a talk with him.
The SP reveal that they could also have chosen a zombie-Lindsey-McDonald or Eve as their representative, instead of Wesley.
Lorne assumes Fred is in Heaven, which indicates that perhaps Dr Sparrow's conclusion that her soul had been destroyed might be incorrect. (Or of course, Lorne doesn't fully understand what happened to Fred.)
Angel thinks shaving is less difficult than cutting his hair.
Spider and her girls want Spike to kill Angel, and then plan to overthrow the other Lords; Spike doesn't feel like participating in this little plan.
The demon lords let their slaves attend the fight between Angel and their champions.
Gunn still wishes to protect most civilians, even though he and his gang might eat a few.
Angel confesses to most of the slave-population of LA, that he was responsible for them being in hell.
Angel's dragon is tied up for the duration of the fight.
Groo has previously supplied Angel with a flaming sword (possibly among other weapons).
The seven demon-lords who send a champion choose: a T-Rex, a she-Skip, a fire-demon, a masked-demon that shoots slime, a big ooze, and possibly two more (although we don't see them).
Lorne has gathered up Spike, Illyria, Connor, Groo, Nina, and Gwen to aid Angel in his fight. He claims that he is participating in the fight as his own champion and that he can manifest himself as multiple people at once (being the others).
Wesley is sent back by the SP to the location he disappeared from in Silverlake.
Gunn claims responsibility for the gang being back together to his vampire henchmen; he claims it's part of a larger plan.
Spike did not know that Wesley was back.
If he had he would not have brought Illyria there.
At the sight of Wesley, Illyria turns into Fred and says: "Wesley... ...You're here!" (The exact meaning of this is unknown.)


From a post by Brian Lynch on Whedonesque Comments on 15822 : (SPOILER) Discuss Angel: After The Fall #5 (http://whedonesque.com/comments/15822#217750).

The two women accompanying Lorne are called Gabrielle and Mary.

[Allycat]

#06

Betta George Story


Before he was in hell, Betta George worked/lived at a theme park.
At the time of the big fight between the Fang Gang and the Champions of the Lords of Hell, Betta George is still alive and a captive of Gunn's crew.



Spike Story


When Spike is transported to Hell he found Fred in a flaming circle, very close by.
Although he initially decided to retire from fighting evil, he couldn't turn away from the screams of those in need of help. While fighting some demons, Fred turned into Illyria. Spike was unsure of the how and why of then transformation at that point.



Connor Story


Fruity Oaty Bars is a brand in the Buffyverse. An ad for it can be seen on the first page of the Connor story on the panel at the bottom. It's on the left side of the street.
After killing Hamilton, Connor originally fled as Angel instructed him, but upon seeing the dragon, he turned around to join the fight.
Upon being transported to Hell (to Compton), Connor remembered details of his life from being inside Darla's womb, to being held in Holtz' arms as a child in Quortothp; things he should have been too young to remember. (Because of this he also remembered Cordelia's role as surrogate mother during Season 3, which made him realise how incestuous sleeping with her was.)
Very soon after being transported to Hell, Connor was captured by an army of demons.



Lorne Story


By singing in a high pitched tone, Lorne can make (certain kinds of) demons explode.
By killing said demon, Lorne inspired the people of Silverlake to take up arms against a varity of demons, during a battle that lasted days. (Owlbears seemed to be among the demons fought.)
A sorceress put a protective spell around Silverlake, which keeps it evil-free.
Lorne immediately began monitoring his friends. (We see an image of one such friend, but I can't identify who it is.)
A week after the protection-spell was cast, Lorne was chosen as leader (and Lord) of Silverlake.

[TheHeartist]

Go Lorne, way to work those talented pipes! I found it quite funny that the one member of Angel's crew that was perhaps the least battle efficient has done more for the cause of good after the fall of L.A. than any of the others.

[Clem Rocks]

Betta George Story


Before he was in hell, Betta George worked/lived at a theme park.

Actualy Brian Lynch has stately that he just went there to spook people

Connor Story


After killing Hamilton

It was Angel that killed Hamilton

[nerd4hire]

Fruity Oaty Bars is a brand in the Buffyverse.

It's probably worth mentioning where that comes from, just in case somebody missed it.

It's from the commercial playing in the bar in the Firefly movie Serenity. It makes River go crazy.

Video of the Fruity Oaty Bars commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doWOdB1d0mg)

[Allycat]

Actualy Brian Lynch has stately that he just went there to spook people

It was Angel that killed Hamilton

Not that I don't trust your word on it, but for future debates, it might be handy if we could have a link to Brian saying this.

And you're right, Angel killed Hamilton. I meant it in the way of help defeat him.

[Clem Rocks]

Not that I don't trust your word on it, but for future debates, it might be handy if we could have a link to Brian saying this.

And you're right, Angel killed Hamilton. I meant it in the way of help defeat him.

I would give you the link to him saying it, but it's on that forum you don't like ;)
I'll get it now though if you really want it?

[Allycat]

Clem Rocks PM'ed me the link to Brian's post

Betta George doesn't really work at the theme park, he just kinda freaks people out there for fun.

Source: SlayAlive: A Buffy Forum - Angel: After the Fall - Issue 6 Discussion (http://www.slayaliveforums.proboards50.com/index.cgi?board=angelseason6&action=display&thread=1200899844&page=5#1207189683)

[Allycat]

I know it's been a while, sorry for the long wait.


#07 - First Night, Part II

Betta George Story

Beta George appearantly does know Spike.
Gunn had his gang members train against captive Slayers.


Wesley Story

After dying, Wesley is approached by a shapeshifter in the service of the SP to lure him into working for them.
The SP are of the opinion that Wesley will be instrumental to them winning.


Kate Story

Kate is in LA.
Kate saves Connor.
Kate has no longer a police detective; it seems she now works as a rogue demon-hunter.
Kate has regular dealings with an arms-dealer.

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#08 - First Night, Part III

Gwen Story

Gwen has been sort of dating a guy named Nate, but they haven't really done much but touch, which is enough for her.
When LA turns into hell, L.I.S.A. stops functioning, causing Gwen to accidentally kill Nate.


Civilians Story

Nothing to report here.

Gunn Story

During the Alley fight, when Gunn was heavily wounded Angel neglected him and rather turned to killing the Ogre who was controlling the Dragon.
At this point a group of vampires, lead by a long-haired vampire, dragged Gunn away; the long-haired vampire sired him.
The same group that took him in, has been nursing him, when Gunn wakes up a vampire, he kills the leader and takes over his position.
This group has an "inside line" that has provided them with information on future events.



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#09

Burge orders the Champions to start killing humans, as retribution for Angel not fighting alone.
The Loan Sharks name is apparently not Teeth after all, but Bro'os.
Apart from Spike and Bro'os, none of the other Lords knew that the Hagun Shaft were suicide sceptres, instead of weapons. Angel tricked them into using them, thus killing all the Lords.
Without their Lords protection, the Champions are attacked by other demons.
Spider and her girls decide to join Spike (and Angel) after all.
Spider's real name is Maria; she has four extra pairs of Spider-legs that can extend from her spine. This was caused by wicca-tampering.
Gwen and Connor are dating.
The entire Fang Gang getting back together is according to Gunn's plan.
The Fang Gang moves back into the Hyperion.
Wesley and Fred go off together, to visit Wesley's body, which is a trigger for her turning back into Illyria. Angel had collected Wesley's body as soon as he could walk again.


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#10

The Fang Gang is going out on rounds again.
Groo is paired with Spider and her girls, dubbed the Spikettes.
Angel, Connor, Gwen, Illyria, and Nina go in search of the strongest vampire Connor knowns, while Spike ghost-sits Wesley.
Spike has slept with neither Spider nor Fred.
Gunn forces Beta George to use his telepathic powers, when he unleashed two captive Slayers on him. Gunn kills one of the Slayers, after Beta George uses his powers to "freeze" her.
The vampire-leader that Connor leads to the group to is very afraid of Gunn's group. He reveals that this group was already putting their plans in motion before "Not Fade Away".
Illyria reveals that Angel is no longer a vampire to Gwen, Connor, and Nina.
Connor is angry at Angel for not revealing he is human and furthermore for still engaging in dangerous behaviour not suitable for his new power-level.
Nina joined Connor, before Gwen did.
Nina's loyalty lies with Angel, more than with Connor.
Illyria can read power-aura's.
Gunn forces Beta George to call for help telepathically to someone from beyond the barrier.
Near Vegas is a Supernatural Rehabilitation Facility (called Mosaic). (From Spike: Asylum).
Beta George calls out to someone at that center that LA is in hell, but when this person turns on the TV, it shows that LA is fine, furthering the hypothesis that from the outside LA looks fine. (The character is from Spike:Asylum and Spike:Shadow Puppets and in those series, she is called Beck.)
Gunn is aware of the "glamour" around LA, and suggests that he has planned everything from beginning to end.
Angel, Illyria, and Nina, on the dragon show up and Angel recognises Gunn; something Gunn had not anticipated.

[April]

Angel refers to Nina as his ex.

This probably the best news I've heard in long time!!! I'm so happy!! and I hope she stays his ex

[Allycat]

Again, it's been a while, but when read together it's easier to get all the mysteries.

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#11

Angel is captured by Gunn's gang. Nina and Fred are sent home on the dragon, thinking Gunn is human and threatened by the vampires (from his own gang).
Connor and Gwen met when Gwen was being attacked by a number of a type of creature called a "Sewer Octopus". Connor and Nina ran into her, and Connor killed them to save/impress Gwen.
Before LA went to Hell, Gunn's gang captured a creature that had vision and was able to project them to others. The gang used it to get ahead of the game. These visions starred Gunn, which is why they saved and turned him.
After Gunn became the leader of the gang, he killed the creature, but got one final vision from it, which showed him how to get out of Hell. Gunn believes that the vision the creature had were sent by the Powers that Be. Because he thinks he's still doing their bidding, he also thinks he's still a hero.
Angel, on the other hand, explains that if the creatures vision were from the Powers, they would have cut it off, the moment it fell into the wrong hands. In other words, he believes it is simply one of those demons with pre-cognitive powers.
Gunn has a special amulet, one the visions have led him to, that he uses on Angel, causing all his mystically healed wounds to re-open. Obviously, the amount of damage this does to Angel, gives away that he's not a vampire, but human. According to the visions though, Gunn wasn't supposed to use it until later.
While Angel is dying, Gunn tells him "I found her first"... the her he's referring to is probably revealed in the next scene.
Meanwhile Gwen, Spike, and Connor are riding the dragon back to where Angel found Gunn. The moment all three of them jump off, Gwen attacks the dragon with her lightning powers.

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#12

Gwen reveals that she's been someone's pawn all along. Although she doesn't name him, she means Gunn. That she had to help him orchestrate matters, and in case they ever find him, she had to fight them, which is what happens next.
Connor thinks that falling in love with him, but not being able to touch him, was all just a ploy by Gwen to get closer to him, but without having to get physical.
Connor orders Cordelia to attack Gwen. Cordelia, being the name of the dragon, who has survived Gwen's attack.
During the months that it took Angel to heal he imagined Cordelia during his hallucinations. He "talked" to her and dragon overheard this, concluding his name was Cordelia.
The above, Angel explains to none-other-than the real Cordelia. They appear to be invisible ghosts or something like that, as they are standing in the room where Gunn and his men are standing over Angel's dying body.
Cordelia explains that Angel is dying and that she is not here to save him, but to help make his passing easier.
Gunn reveals that in the big finale he has foreseen, Angel is a vampire, so dying as a human now, isn't good enough.
Cordelia helps Angel deduce that she's either another hallucination, the real Cordelia sent by the Powers, or a W&H imitation.
After Wesley fades away and Illyria is left with only Nina, she has a fit of anger and takes it out on Nina. During this fit, she also has a timeslip. One to the future where she's standing before a girl with and bland pink tank top and bright pink hair (Fray?) and one where she's standing in a room with a crib opposite a woman with a blue sweater and blonde hair (Darla?). Illyria, after tossing Nina into a wall, heads toward Gunn's location.
There's a sign on the street that reads Doyle, next to a big poster reading "Coming Soon!"
Wesley's fade has moved him to Gunn and Angel('s dying body). When there he receives a memo from the partners. During which time he's glowing red/yellow. (Same as the figure in S:AtF). The memo has told Wesley a lot of information and he explains to Gunn.
Angel's signing away his Shanshu prophecy was never filed, because LA went to Hell. Angel and Cordelia overhear this and Angel reveals that he truly believed it was meant for Spike.
Wesley confirms that Gunn's visions didn't come from the Power, but from W&H, which Gunn is furious about. He tries the amulet on Wesley, but to no avail.
Furthermore, Wesley reveals that the Hell they are in was carefully constructed to be Angel's hell: Gunn a villain, Wesley useless, Spike and Connor friends, Angel helpless. Which is not to say that they aren't real, and their choices aren't theirs, just that they were nudged into certain directions by W&H.
Wesley further reveals that Gunn becoming a vampire was in the pipelines ever since he joined Angel.
Finally, Wesley delivers a vision to Angel as he lays their dying, showing his part in the Shanshu-Apocalypse.
We see Angel, vamp-faced, clothes torn, and blood dripping off his hands, face and sword standing on a massive pile of dead human bodies. There are heads on poles. A demon army on his left side and burning buildings in the distance on his right.
After seeing this vision, Angel decides that Cordelia is right and that he should die.


Issue #13 coming soon...

[Allycat]

#13

In the fight between Connor, Gwen, Cordelia the Dragon, and Spike, the latter has been thrown off the building.
Spike remarks that Connor is the second best brawler in Hell, we can only assume that he's reserved the top-spot for himself.
When Spike releases the Slayers from Gunn's basement, they instantly attack and stake him.
As retaliation for Gunn bringing Angel close to death they sent in the real army, which according to Wesley will make the one in the alley seem like "the company softball team."
Said army consists of; giant octopuses, a rain of fireballs, dragons, and Dragon/Fighter Jet hybrids.
The army is heading for the building where all the main players are.
Cordelia the Dragon fights the first wave, but gets taken down by the other dragons.
Gwen sacrifices herself and kills a number of dragons in the process. Her last words could be important: "Oh Charles, you'd better be right." and two panels later "Love you so much." (Is she referring to Connor or Gunn?)
Angel is ready to go with Cordelia, ie to die.
When Connor confronts Gunn and tells him Gwen is dead, Gunn reveals that this wasn't according to his visions.
After kicking Gunn out of the building (literally) and being informed by Wesley of Angel's role in the Shanshu-Apocalypse, Connor flat out refuses to let Angel die and Angel decides to hold on to life.
Because Angel is no longer moving to the light, Cordelia is fading away, but she cheers him on, supporting him in his choice to find a different solution.
Spike is up and about with the three Slayers on his sides and explains that bringing people back to live in this building isn't hard. (Which has something do with Non's powers from Spike: After the Fall.)
Outside Gunn and Illyria meet. Gunn appears to break down crying, which causes Illyria to revert back to Fred, after which he reveals this was his plan all along and he shoots her with a crossbow.

[Clem Rocks]

"Gunn has a special amulet, one the visions have led him to, that he uses on Angel, causing all his mystically healed wounds to re-open. Obviously, the amount of damage this does to Angel, gives away that he's not a vampire, but human. According to the visions though, Gunn wasn't supposed to use it until later."

The way i read it, it was that the amulet stopped all magic from working, meaning the wounds were reopened and that the glamour stopped working, not that Gunn just guessed from the amount of damage?

[Allycat]

I never interpreted the glamour itself to have been a spell. I always thought that the glamour referred to the combination of effects that caused people to believe Angel was human.