Astronauts VS cavemen??

[Kimz]

Who would win in a fight....

astronauts or cavemen?

the great debate inspired by spike and angel of course haha! lol

whats your thoughts?

i agree with spike personally...cavemen would win, they are pretty clever, primal instincts and stuff =)

[palabravampiress]

That depends. Where is the battle taking place? Are they in space? Are they in a city? Are they in the wilderness? Who has the home field advantage?

[Kimz]

LOL hmmm lets see....

we shall put them, in the middle of city, coz that way neither has a major advantage....

lets put time back a bit....perhaps before people realised they could orbit into space but not far back enough when cavemen are around...

somewhere inbetween lol

this could get confusing LOL
x

[palabravampiress]

Why don't we put them in the White Room at W&H? Neither party has the home field advantage there.

[wiccianslayer]

I Can Not Believe You Did This It's Just Gonna Go On And On Tuill Someone Shuts Down The Argment

[Kimz]

LOL

ok lets put em in W&H, good idea, plus its where the root of the debate began after all ;)

[palabravampiress]

Next question: what are they wearing? Do they have weapons or tools of some sort?

If we make them naked, of course, it'll be the same sort of thing as putting them in the White Room. Neither side will have any sort of artificial or external advantage.

[white avenger]

Okay, fine. Now, what kind of astronauts are we talking about here? Are they a bunch of fat balding college professor types, or trained, armed, and well motivated military men?

[Kimz]

naked fight eh lol

why not...go for it lol

Edit:

hmm lets say as basic as an astronaut gets, college level, but knows what they are doing...not armed lol

[palabravampiress]

Well, if they're gonna be naked, we might do our mental images a favor by making them fit, trained, actually-go-into-space sort of astronauts. Unless we wanna get all "Women in Love," of course.

[Kimz]

LOL fair nuff, lets make em fit :)

[palabravampiress]

Last question: why are they fighting? Motivation has a lot to do with the outcome of any fight.

[Kimz]

hmmm battle of....

past and future, which is stronger? which has done the more good?....which is better technology or old fashioned ways?

argument argument arguement

leading to a manly fight for dominence lol

just a thought haha

[palabravampiress]

Oh yeah! Your "manly fight for dominance thing" made me thing of some more questions. I guess I lied about the last question thing.

Are they all men, or are there women, too? Also, how many people are on each side? Are they strangers, or are they related?

[Kimz]

hmmm ok good point....

we could stick with a simple one on one fight i guess....primal male vs modern day male

if u wanna get into more people on each side tho, thats cool

[white avenger]

If I might be allowed to suggest--2 men and 2 women on each side, all uninjured, healthy, and each group has a recognized leader and are aquainted with each other, but not so familiar as to be a co-ordinated team.

[Kimz]

yep ok...we can go with that...sounds fair! =)

[Dlou444]

Now I'm all confused....

I had a stand in the Cavemen vs. Astronauts...but just modern man doesn't work for me.
I figure...regular Gladiator Arena and I guess it doesn't matter men or women...but I'm all for the cavemen..weapons or not. I mean, in all reality...what kind of "battle training" do astronauts get? Sure, maybe they can make new air filters from scrap while orbiting the moon, but I doubt they're trained in hand to hand combat. There's really no normal reason for an astronaut to have a gun. So, if we just put them in there with the things they use in daily life...what do we have?
The astronauts have what? Calculators and maybe some oxygen tanks? And the cavemen would have clubs and sharp rocks and sticks and are used to battling for their lives.

The whole situation changes if we just say, "Modern Man". I mean, that opens it up to a LOT! Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Hulk Hogan, my drunken cousin in Texas who carries multiple shotguns in the back of his truck for aid in random traffic infractions.....the options are just too vast.
(By the way, I think my cousin could take the cavemen...in fact I think they speak the same language.)

[white avenger]

Okay, so now what? Are we gonna make this a contest or just discuss and speculate?

[palabravampiress]

Contest! This discuss and speculate stuff is way too boring. We're not really yelling like Spike and Angel yet. Bummer.

"You just always have to be right! Grr!"

[Kimz]

LMAO!

I am talking about something primal!!! savagery! brutal animal instincts!

tee hee!

[white avenger]

Okay, then you need at least 1 fighter to be astronaut and 1 for cave man. and a referee. How many boys and girls wanna play?

[GATEGOD]

Clearly Astronauts have the superior intellect and skill to survive any assault a caveman may come up with.

[Kimz]

cavemen had to live rough and ready though....they are stronger as a whole for surviving without the luxuries we feel we need to survive with today! lol

[Dlou444]

Gee...how much superior intellect does it take to get konked in the head over and over? Besides, a couple of well placed blows from the caveman and the astronaut brain is Jell-o. And, really if Tom Hanks, Kevin Bacon and Gary Sinise is any sort of way to tell...astronauts, while not horrible on the eyes, aren't exactly the EXTRA BUFF sort of guys.

[GATEGOD]

cavemen had to live rough and ready though....they are stronger as a whole for surviving without the luxuries we feel we need to survive with today! lol

Astronauts still win. They have to go through so much training, stress testing, intelligence testing, they have to be nearly perfect before they even come close to being an 'astronaut'. Caveman.. can they even speak ::huh1:: :drunk:

[Dlou444]

Caveman.. can they even speak

How does speaking weigh in with brute force?

Need I bring up my drunken cousin again? I don't see any astronauts approaching HIM for a brawl.

[Kimz]

A quick swift blow to the head from a rock or any sort of thing a caveman happens to pick up and hit the astronaut with would take him down in an instant....there wouldnt be time for brains and intellect to even enter the fight....

the cavemans primal instinct would surely tell him....just whack him one, ''astronaut bad'' lol....

brains and intellect dont come into it, even speech...none of that matters in a straight forward fight.

[GATEGOD]

Or since the astronaut isn't stupid, and I am saying the caveman is. The astronaut moves, the caveman misses, he trips the caveman, the caveman falls off a cliff, the astronaut hides, the astronaut picks up a sharp stick and stabs the caveman who walks into it, the caveman had brute force.. big whoop, he is still stupid and in the end the person who has the intellect to run, or to bide their time, or to dodge attacks, imo, would win. The caveman would make blind attempts to run directly at the astronaut, who is to say the astronaut isn't stronger than the caveman? Who's to say the caveman doesn't trip on a rock on his way over and cracks his head on a rock ..:drunk: The astronaut in question would win! Seeing there surroundings and adapting is what they are trained to do. Caveman... again are stupid and all they have is brute force

[Dlou444]

who is to say the astronaut isn't stronger than the caveman?

Well, there's ME! I've never seen a Astronaut have to take down a buffalo, bear or wooly mammoth with tools they crafted from the sticks and rocks around them! Which not only speaks to strength but quite a bit of intellect and stradegy in the heat of battle. That takes a heck of a lot more "smarts" than tripping on a rock and cracking your own skull open.
That's why evolution works...because they were smart enough to adapt and live with the few materials they had. Not just wait for NASA to train them on the newest do-dads that someone else invented.
And who cares if the astronuats have been trained to not gak in 0 gravity? That's hardly part of a decent "death match" resume!

[Kimz]

ahhh yes...good point...

but whose to say also that the astronaut couldnt accidently trip and fall.

if the astronaut attempted to attack the caveman, the cavemans ways of life, living rough, being animal like, having to hunt etc....his primal instincts would tell him to defend himself and fight this thing.

as for the whole intelligence thing....cavemen invented many a thing, they have some level of intelligence, theyre not stupid.
and who is to say cavemen are useless and clumsy and would fall off a cliff or trip over a rock, that could easily happen to the astronaut also.

[palabravampiress]

I'm going to say that astronauts would win. Why?

Well, all of this "primal instinct" stuff that the cavemen have, the astronauts have, too. We're a constantly evolving species, sure, but cavemen and astronauts are about as far apart on the evolutionary timeline as wolves and dogs. Dogs can revert to their primal instincts quite easily when they're threatened... or even if they just have crappy training. What makes us think humans are any different? The astronauts have all of the same evolutionary urges and tools as the cavemen, PLUS the modern training and communication skills and a virtual library of all the action movie moves they've seen working to their advantage. Astronauts win. After all, they're just cavemen with PhD degrees.

[white avenger]

Keep in mind that the cave man is pretty much in familiar territory naked and unarmed, and he is used to fighting and killing that way. Also, don't sell him short on the intelligence factor either. He and his entire species managed to not only survive, but thrive in an environment filled with animals far stronger, faster, and more aggressive than ANY astronaut who ever stepped into a space shuttle. The astronauts will be totally outclassed and overwhelmed in a stand up man to man fight.

Modern man's advantage comes with his technology, and without it. he has nothing to compensate for being weaker, slower, and less aggressive. Give the astronauts time to prepare, to fabricate weapons superior to what is available to the cave men (bows and arrows against clubs and rocks, for instance), and to develop a working strategy, and they stand a better than even chance, but without it, ther're cave man fodder, nothing else.

[palabravampiress]

Give one of them a modern disease... like the common cold or something... and the astronauts will have their immune system working to their advantage.

[Kimz]

ahh good point again...

but your point about evolving...taking the example of the wolf and dog....

you put a wolf and a dog side by side...i know which one would be more likely to kill me....

or win in a fight against each other....it would be the wild one...the wolf...every time. the dog would tap into what primal instincts it may have, but the wolf would win, because all its known is the wild, the hunt, the kill, surviving through tough measures...

like the cavemen.

[Dlou444]

The astronauts have all of the same evolutionary urges and tools as the cavemen, PLUS the modern training and communication skills and a virtual library of all the action movie moves they've seen working to their advantage.

They have the urges, but not the training. I watch a LOT of Buffy, but sadly my "kicking people in the face" skills are still a bit lacking. I watch a lot of the Tour De France too, but I doubt that makes me skilled enough to actually do it.
I would guess that the guys actually practiced in throwing hand-made spears at mammoths and killing and skinning them are slightly more prepared for head to head combat than the astronauts who may be in good shape, but not exactly, "Hey, it's Tuesday, let's go get a Mammoth" type shape.
Now, if we're talking about how to reinstall Windows..I'd give it to the astronauts.

Edit:

Give the astronauts time to prepare, to fabricate weapons superior to what is available to the cave men (bows and arrows against clubs and rocks, for instance), and to develop a working strategy, and they stand a better than even chance, but without it, ther're cave man fodder, nothing else.


Maybe, assuming the astronaut knows HOW to fabricate a weapon. Not every college graduate walks away with the knowledge of how to do that. Or even start a fire. Don't you people ever watch Survivor? ROCKET SCIENTISTS can't even make fire and shelter!

[Clem Rocks]

Fred said cavemen, don't argue with Fred :P

[Kimz]

lol i agree totally,
you put a modern day astronaut, into the kind of life and environment a caveman lived in, strip away his clothes, technology and modern day tools...he wouldnt stand a chance, because all they know is how to survive with advanced every day modern materials...give them the only tools a caveman had and they wouldnt have a clue, wouldnt survive two seconds in that sort of wild environment.
strip all the technology away from the astronaut and whats left, but a weak clueless man, vulnerable man.

[white avenger]

ahh good point again...

but your point about evolving...taking the example of the wolf and dog....

you put a wolf and a dog side by side...i know which one would be more likely to kill me....

or win in a fight against each other....it would be the wild one...the wolf...every time. the dog would tap into what primal instincts it may have, but the wolf would win, because all its known is the wild, the hunt, the kill, surviving through tough measures...

like the cavemen.

I agree about the cave men, but the wolf/dog thing just doesn't work. Wolves are pack animals. One alone loses most of its aggression. Confine it in an area where its only defense, flight, is denied, and it's a simple matter of matching it against one of the so-called "dangerous" breeds, the pit bull, bull terrier, rotweiller, or the like, and it's wolf suffle for dinner.

[GATEGOD]

Someone who is resourceful and smart against someone who is strong and stupid. David and Goliath much? David won?
Any time there is someone who is against someone who is 'caveman' like and someone who is 'astronaut' like, all the astronaut has to do is out think his dumb opponent, which if it really is Astronaut vr. caveman is pretty easy. For all you know the Astronaut will pull the fire trick scare the caveman to death and give it a heart attack. All that is needed to overcome the caveman's superior..'strength' is ingenuity.

[palabravampiress]

Who's to say our astronaut wasn't a boy scout?

I mean, I'm no cavewoman, but I do happen to be a lifetime member of the Girl Scouts. I've had my outdoor survival training... in the winter, no less! I can start fires and boil water and hike up mountains. Heck, I can even do all that stuff with a sprained ankle and a recently dislocated knee.

[GATEGOD]

Who's to say our astronaut wasn't a boy scout?

I mean, I'm no cavewoman, but I do happen to be a lifetime member of the Girl Scouts. I've had my outdoor survival training... in the winter, no less! I can start fires and boil water and hike up mountains. Heck, I can even do all that stuff with a sprained ankle and a recently dislocated knee.

As can any self respecting astronaut who trains to go off to OTHER PLANETS! Again, the astronaut wins.

[Kimz]

ok to make my final point for tonight lol :P coz its 4am and i must sleep lol....

who is to say, that cavemen are stupid. They created and invented some of the things we use in everyday life. To invent something takes intelligence, especially if that invention has lasted all these years and made it into the modern day world...

cavemen were not stupid, infact they were very intelligent and clever. The only difference in terms of the levels of intelligence between a caveman and an astronaut is...

cavemen were a LOT more creative, used what they could find to create something that would prove most useful.

ok im done...
night all hope u all likin this thread LOL be back tomora :) hehe!

[Dlou444]

Cavemen had fire! Why would they be scared of fire?

And, even with Scouts, last I checked they don't teach you how to make WEAPONS! (If so, I'm going to have to pull my kid out very soon!) And even if they DID teach you how to make weapons, we'd be talking arrow heads right? Cavemen already know how to do that and practice every day.
What kind of Scouts teaches you how to make Semi-Automatic weapons out of every day objects? Because that's the only way to out-do the caveman on man-made weapons!

[white avenger]

Someone who is resourceful and smart against someone who is strong and stupid. David and Goliath much? David won?
Any time there is someone who is against someone who is 'caveman' like and someone who is 'astronaut' like, all the astronaut has to do is out think his dumb opponent, which if it really is Astronaut vr. caveman is pretty easy. For all you know the Astronaut will pull the fire trick scare the caveman to death and give it a heart attack. All that is needed to overcome the caveman's superior..'strength' is ingenuity.


To belabor my point using your own metaphor, David won because he din not stand tot to toe with Goliath. He used a sling, higher technology than Goliath;s sword. I fully agree that if the astronauts were allowed to use technology there would be no contest, The conditions of the contest , however, was as follows: naked and UNARMED. It that circumstance, the only hope that the astronauts would have would be if they were trained extensively (NOT a couple of hours a week at the local YMCA just to keep in shape and flexible, but a real combat style that included something more than tournament sparring) in martial arts and very motivated to survive.

[Dlou444]

RIGHT! If weapons could be used, it would have to be ONLY what the caveman or astronaut could make themself. Otherwise it wouldn't be fair. Sure, an astronaut could be trained to use a lighter or machine gun...but then that's not caveman vs. astronaut that's caveman vs. modern society and not fair.

[GATEGOD]

You still haven't changed my mind it's always going to be intellect over brawn.

[white avenger]

You still haven't changed my mind it's always going to be intellect over brawn.



Using that logic, a naked Einstein could beat a lion with nothing but his fists. The conditions of combat specified NAKED and UNARMED. If you start changing the rules, you might just as well allow the astronauts to have assault weapons against hog tied cave men.

[GATEGOD]

Einstein ... :lmao: you miss the point, he is nowhere near the physical shape,stamina or rigorous training, as an astronaut.

[white avenger]

Okay, then, how about this? Bruce Lee against a gorilla. Do you like that one? The Dragon gets dissected by the ape (and don't question my martial arts knowledge, I'm a 4th degree black belt and a licensed instructor. ) Intelligence simply isn't enough of an advantage against brute force unless technology or training are factored in, and since we're talking about naked, unarmed run of the mill astronauts, not Navy Seals, the muscle beats the brain every time.

[GATEGOD]

Okay, then, how about this? Bruce Lee against a gorilla. Do you like that one? The Dragon gets dissected by the ape (and don't question my martial arts knowledge, I'm a 4th degree black belt and a licensed instructor. ) Intelligence simply isn't enough of an advantage against brute force unless technology or training are factored in, and since we're talking about naked, unarmed run of the mill astronauts, not Navy Seals, the muscle beats the brain every time.

In your opinion, In my opinion ingenuity in the face of such force can easily overcome the the strength, and he can use his opponents strength to his advantage own advantage.

[Dlou444]

Yes, astronauts don't get a whole lot of combat training. Except maybe the ones that the Men In Black hire. NASA astronauts just have to have endurance and be able to not throw up or pass out in thin air and zero gravity.
Being in good shape is really two things here. We have Olympic Swimmers and then we have Mike Tyson also. They aren't really the same thing.

And EVEN if you put them in their "average Saturday morning attire" and let them use whatever weapons they could forge in 30 minutes in the African Rainforest....the poor astronauts...even if they COULD make a more "advanced" weapon than the cavemen, the cavemen would still be more skilled in actually USING their weapons for battle because they do it all the time to survive. The astronauts usually go to Save-Mart for their food and call the police when in peril.

Edit:

In your opinion, In my opinion ingenuity in the face of such force can easily overcome the the strength, and he can use his opponents strength to his advantage own advantage.

That's also assuming that astronauts are actually all that intelligent.
They aren't the ones who design the space shuttle after all. They aren't the scientists designing the missions...just the ones trained to run the shuttle and go up. Seems to me, they have to ask "Houston" what to do ALL the time!

[white avenger]

Folks. as much as I love a good verbal tussle, we've about beat this dog to death, and I'm an old man who has to get up and go to church in about 5 hours. Y'all have at it for as long as you care to, but this ol' cave man's gonna crawl back in his hole for the night. Be seein' ya around the boards.

[GATEGOD]

Fine I'll get into my spaceship, ;) we know which is cooler ;)

[ILLYRIAN]

I just love this line of thought, it was once said that if you want to start an argument at the dinner table then mention religion or politics, but not now. It's who'd win the caveman or the astronaught.

[Bangelxx]

I gotta say the cavemen because I don't think the astronauts could survive against brute stength. Maybe if the astronauts had weapons or something but if it was just a fight with no weapons or anything- cavemen would win!

[Keanoite]

I gotta go with caveman too...they would be working off natural instsinct and Astronauts aren't exactly trained in the martial arts!

[Kimz]

Afternoon, im still stickin with cavemen by the way...my mind has not been changed lol =)

[palabravampiress]

My mind IS starting to be changed.

[justanotherjen]

I just watched this episode the other day and was cracking up because they were having such a heated argument over something so silly.
I'd have to go with caveman. Maybe because I picture cavemen as being more instinctual. I just can't picture astronauts fighting to the death and that is probably what it would take to win (a caveman would probably have no problem with that).

[white avenger]

As I said in a previous thread, the literally endless list of variables involved with this argument make it the veritable "chicken or the egg" question. Given the conditions set up in this thread, however, (4 astronauts vs 4 cave men, all naked and unarmed) there is no doubt in my mind that brute force coupled with inate savagery would prevail every time.

Or, less wordily, the astronauts ain't got a prayer.

[GATEGOD]

Astronauts are built on teamwork.. the caveman would kill each other.

[Dlou444]

Cavemen have to work together. It takes more than one to take down a mammoth and more than one to EAT said Mammoth. In fact, I bet they need to communicate less to work together.

[Keanoite]

Team work maybe but cavemen would hunt like a pack...preying on the weak..i.e. the Astronauts

[GATEGOD]

Astronauts would help each other. Protect each other, help a wounded man.. would a caveman use these things or just do the 'Brute force' technique..?

[ILLYRIAN]

I'm a bit confused her. Is the question your asking about A caveman and An astronaught or several of each as this thread keeps changing between them ?.

[GATEGOD]

I don't know. I think one on one but we keep changing :p

[white avenger]

I don't know. I think one on one but we keep changing :p

Back at the beginning, the conditions decided on were: 2 men, 2women each side, naked and unarmed. There was no decision on whether there would be any time allowed to lpan strategies or fabricate weapons.

[ILLYRIAN]

The answer is simple then, as no decision was made that weapons couldn't be built, while the astronaughts were sneakily building a gun each, the cavemen and women snuck up behind then and beat the living SHH ! it [quietly] out of them, hence the cave dwellers win !!.

Edit:

Dlou444, I'm not sure about this, but I don't think Smith and Wesson made toasters. So once again while the space people started to build guns the cave people finished them off.

But on reflection I see from your comment you only mentioned the astronaughts then said they're toast at the end, so I see that you agree the cave people would win, does that mean the cave people win twice ?

[white avenger]

The answer is simple then, as no decision was made that weapons couldn't be built, while the astronaughts were sneakily building a gun each, the cavemen and women snuck up behind then and beat the living SHH ! it [quietly] out of them, hence the cave dwellers win !!.


A group of naked unarmed astronauts aren't going to have much time, if any at all, before they are overwhelmed by the sheer power of the equally naked and unarmed cave men. And if you think it's gonna be easy "fabricating" any kind of weapons at all with no tools and probably no skills, try it sometime. Just a simple bow requires a suitable piece of wood and something to serve as a string. You can break off a tree limb, or maybe even find a piece of rock with a sharp edge to use as a scrape, but what about a bowstring? Vines wouldn't be strong enough, even if you could find them.

Spears, clubs, rocks, make privative weapons, but guess what...the cave men know how to make them too, probably better and faster than the astronauts, who have grown up in a society dependent on specialized tools and complex machinery, plus which, the cave men would obviously have more skill ising any sort of primitive weapon that either group would be capable of building.

Go back to the beginning, change the conditions to allow the astronauts even rudimentary tools and some raw material, and the outcome would probably have a chance of being different. As it is...

I'll issue a personal challenge to anyone reading this who thinks that the astronauts would have a chance. Go out into the woods (you can keep your clothes on for this, just don't use any article of clothing as an aid in your work. Now, make a sharp pointed stick long enough and strong enough to be used as an affective weapon. See how long it takes you. Now, imagine trying to do that with an enraged, naked, possibly hungry and cannibalistic cave man pounding on your head with a rock.

Accomplish that and avoid being the main dish in a cave man cookout, and then come back and talk to me.

[ILLYRIAN]

Didn't realise it but you are obviously pro astronaught, I'm not.
Why bother making a weapon with a sharp end ? A club is very effective, a short lump of wood can be thrown.
Did I say that the guns were completed ? no.
How big is the white room ?

[white avenger]

Didn't realise it but you are obviously pro astronaught, I'm not.
Why bother making a weapon with a sharp end ? A club is very effective, a short lump of wood can be thrown.
Did I say that the guns were completed ? no.
How big is the white room ?

As I have said repeatedly, (and I'm a martial arts instructor, so please accept my opinion in this as at least considerably more than an uneducated guess) unless the astronauts have specialized combat skills, which it was established at the beginning of this thread they did NOT, your average scientist, regardless of what kind of physical condition he is in, is no match for a far stronger cave man who is used to fighting and killing animals far more dangerous than those naked unarmed scientists. Therefore, in order to have a prayer of surviving, the astronauts would have to fabricate some sort of weapon whose use would favor a smaller, more agile fighter (read about the African tribal leader Shaka Zulu, who led his people in victory against the British empire armed only with short spears) i.e., the spear. Spears require time to fabricate, time which they would not have if the cave men pressed their attack immediately, which they most certainly would. Without the edge given by superior weaponry, it devolves down into brute strength vs unarmed helplessness. Cave man 4, astronauts 0. Set, match, and game.

[ILLYRIAN]

Thanks Dlou444, I noticed that we were on the same side.
Now he seems to think that him saying he is a martial arts instructor, like him using that as a threat of physical violence will make me scared of him. Or make me change my mind ?
He just went on my Ignore list.

[GATEGOD]

:lmao: I'm still backing the astronauts

[palabravampiress]

The cavemen convinced me a couple of days ago. I'm still convinced.

[white avenger]

Thanks Dlou444, I noticed that we were on the same side.
Now he seems to think that him saying he is a martial arts instructor, like him using that as a threat of physical violence will make me scared of him. Or make me change my mind ?
He just went on my Ignore list.


Illyrian, I have never, nor will I ever, use my martial arts knowledge to threaten anyone. I was simply referring to my martial arts expertise as proof of my qualifications in assessing the outcome of the conflict. The only threat I could possibly carry out in this forum would be to beat someone over the head with logic and bruise them with harsh language. Hopefully, neither of us is immune to the former of vulnerable to the former.

As this thread illustrates, the astronaut vs cave men argument is merely the "chicken or the egg" quandry in disguise. As was pointed out, we are on the same side in this debate, so there is no real reason for us to argue in the first place. The members on this forum will never untie the Gordian Knot that this debate represents without actual lab work, and that is impossible here. To continue doing so moves us into the realm of another cliche, that of "beating a dead horse."

I can not speak for you, but as for myself I intend to sit back and watch someone else argue for awhile. You may look upon this decision as a retreat or even a surrender if you wish, but if, as I say one last time, we are on the same side, you can neither gloat nor take pleasure in my actions.

If Alexander the Great shows up, give me a call. (How's that for cryptic?)

[Dlou444]

Illyrian, I have never, nor will I ever, use my martial arts knowledge to threaten anyone. I was simply referring to my martial arts expertise as proof of my qualifications in assessing the outcome of the conflict. The only threat I could possibly carry out in this forum would be to beat someone over the head with logic and bruise them with harsh language. Hopefully, neither of us is immune to the former of vulnerable to the former.

As this thread illustrates, the astronaut vs cave men argument is merely the "chicken or the egg" quandry in disguise. As was pointed out, we are on the same side in this debate, so there is no real reason for us to argue in the first place. The members on this forum will never untie the Gordian Knot that this debate represents without actual lab work, and that is impossible here. To continue doing so moves us into the realm of another cliche, that of "beating a dead horse."

I can not speak for you, but as for myself I intend to sit back and watch someone else argue for awhile. You may look upon this decision as a retreat or even a surrender if you wish, but if, as I say one last time, we are on the same side, you can neither gloat nor take pleasure in my actions.

If Alexander the Great shows up, give me a call. (How's that for cryptic?)

I think we could clear it up quite nicely. WA, you go kidnap an astronaut and I will locate a caveman...and if worse comes to worst, I'll nab my cousin! Everyone else....work on making us a White Room.

[white avenger]

...it has potential...

[angeldork]

Astronauts vs. Cavemen and the astronauts have no weapons and assuming the cavemen also don't have weapons.

Plain and simple the caveman would kick the astronauts ass, definitely. The caveman was the most indigenous human. They lived with the most primal and basic instincts that we either don't have anymore or we don't acknowledge them; we try to get rid of them. If a caveman and any other human being from todays time were to come face to face in a fight the caveman would win (there would be no weapons involved).

[SC7 Fan]

Definetly cavemen. I keep asking all my mates this and they all say caveman. Except one friend who at first said caveman, then I told her that Spike said caveman and then she quickly changed to astronauts cause she doesn't like Spike. Then she changed her mind again.

[littlewilly]

oK, so cavemen would kick a bunch of sissy astronauts ass's, no big suprise.
but what if it was Cavemen v a bunch of heavy weight boxers?

[Dlou444]

You see much a DIFFERENCE between cavemen and boxers? Did you ever WATCH Rocky? He may have been the actual "missing link"!

[littlewilly]

Astronauts= Running on treadmills and lifting weights(Maybe)

Cavemen=Getting all the workout they need from hunting Mammoths and Sabre toothed tigers(both much stronger than vampires)
and thats just an everyday thing for them.

Who'd win a fight? The so called *astronauts* would run away peeing their nappies, even with weapons.

[Fake Shemp]

totaly cavemen!!!!!!!!!!!! ive had this argument before lol after watching angel

[Aethra]

Cavemen, totally. Fighting is an integral part of their everyday lives. I mean, they have to kill for food and stuff. They know what they're doing. Astromauts go to college. No way they're winning this.

[MSchett]

even if they cavemen killed the astronauts theyd prolly get a small pox afterwards and die from it so no winners ;)

[ILLYRIAN]

I'd normally go with the cave man, but just one thing......the astronaught does have two pretty big boots, one swift kick with them into the caveman's ' family jewels ' and fight over.

[Aethra]

But cavemen have clubs. Big, scary clubs.

[MSchett]

also astronauts do go thru rigorous survival training in case they come out of orbit in an unsafe location like N. korea
(my uncle worked at NASA) :)
and if i was an astronaut im definately not gonna fight fair so i totally agree with Illyrian kick em wear it hurts...i doubt a caveman would think of that

[littlewilly]

Astronauts are pussies, how, even with *big boot* are they gonna have a hope in hell against a bunch of cavemen!

[day walker]

i think it's safe to say cavemen:lmao:

[The Kinslayer]

I´m heavily leaning towards cavemen. But I can´t get the thought of how the souroundings may affect the outcome out of my head. Cavemen are more savage and instinctively hunters, but it´s never a good a idea to underestimate the more "brainy" people. Given the time (not sure they would have it in a fight) I´m sure they can come with a resourceful plan.

A fight in a boxing ring = Cavemen

A survivor game (a war kind of thing) = still undecided

[MozYa]

Cavemen.

They have clubs and they hurt.

Astronauts have big suits, they don't hurt.

Although I suppose it could cushion a blow from a club a bit. Still cavemen though.

[LorneyTunes]

caveman would win too primal not to x

[MSchett]

why does everyone say cavemen get clubs and all astronauts get is their suit thats not making the fight fair. cavemen start with a weapon while astronauts get a suit that wouldnt help at all. also its not like the astronauts would be wearing the suit if they werent in space in the first place itd just slow them down

[littlewilly]

The cavemen dont get weapons, neither do the astronauts. Cavemen would tear them to shreds

[Crazy Flakes]

In unarmed battle, cavemen would win, no contest. Even if the astronauts worked out and/or had some combat training, cavemen are built to have way more brute strengh. Maybe if it was cavemen versus bodybuilders, there would be a slightly different outcome, but they could probably rip astronauts to shreds. If they were allowed to use weapons, on the other hand...

[Buffanator]

Cavemen.

Spike said Cavemen... & I side with my Spike!

[david123]

This is just so funny, Gun scared to go into the room because angel and spike had been fighting 40 minutees, and there arguing and Wesley walks in, and spike says "who do u think would win in a fight cavemen or astronaughts" i laughed so hard

[Girl with Sword]

Cavemen. I do karate and let me tell you something I've noticed in sparring, the higher belts have nore technique, their cleaner and more fluid in their fighting style, but it's the lower belts you have to watch out for. They just have force and their punches may not be proper but they're hard and fast and hit where ever they please. Astronaughts have intellect and though that's important, brute strength and primal senses, that's something that will always win.

[pernilleborup]

Does the astronauts have weapons? ;)

[sweetescape]

Cavemen all the way. They have brute strength and it doesn't take that much intelligence to hit someone! and astronaut would think about where to hit rather than just doing it which would give the caveman some advantage! :D

[Cangel]

Okay, assuming the ausronauts don't have any fancy modern weapons, there's no way they would win. I mean, come on, do they ever have to fight? The cavemen, on the other hand, need to hunt for food etc., they probably know what they're doing when they beat the crap out of some crazy austronauts.