Buffy Crossover [spoilers for issues #16+]

[alexa]

Wootaru!
I just found this info.

SlayAlive - A Buffy Forum - #16-20 (http://www.slayalive.com/index.cgi?board=buffyseason8&action=display&thread=1204143948&page=1)

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/slayalive/DSC02283.jpg
Issue 16: July trumpets the return of Jo Chen, but also heralds the return of both Karl Moline and Fray to the Buffyverse! The Buffster squares off against her futuristic descendant in this four-part arc by Joss Whedon and Karl Moline, who fist collaborated in 2003's Fray mini-series

Linking the image from slayalive atm, not sure how long it will remain up there.

Apparently the next arc after Wolves at the Gate will be written by Joss and it concerns a Buffy/Fray crossover. I guess Buffy somehow makes it to the future, this should be so awesome I'm really excited.

Know I could post this in the spoiler thread, but wanted to get peeps attention. Can merge me if you like :)

[Canon]

Woah! This is awesome! I know I shouldn't have looked at the cover so as not to be spoiled, but I just couldn't stop myself. But now I am left with a great anticipation for this issue :(

This arc is gonna be amazing, I love Fray...

[alexa]

Heh yeah I don't even bother saving myself from spoilers anymore .. I must be corrupted. ;)
I read Fray when I found out season 8 would be in comic book form. Those of you who haven't read Fray you should, it's a really great read. Classic Joss story. Also good news that Joss is doing the whole next arc.. and a the pencils done by the guy who did Fray.. I love the art in that book.

[Joyce Summers]

Ooh crossovery goodness. This arc looks really good- the mere idea I mean. The cover though is making me wicked curious. Two scythes, two Slayers and them fighting as they seem to be falling off a building. Can't Buffy ever meet another Slayer without getting into a fight with her? Yeesh. Haha.
Really looking forward to this arc though. I know the concept of the Fray comics and I've read re-caps and summaries but I've never actually read the comics....I'm beginning to think this might be a reason to do so now....

[Allycat]

This is too awesome! Fray, Karl... I can't believe my ears! I'm not too keen on timetraveling though. It always mucks up the storyline. I wonder if somehow future-Angel and future-Spike are going to turn up?!? We saw them in After the Fall recently. With Spike holding the (or a) Scythe.

PS: Am I the only person who hates Slayalive btw? This new forum pops up out of nowhere last year I think and all of a sudden it becomes to no. 1 official channel through which the companies communicate with the fans... what's up with that?

Here's a better, cleaner version of the picture, from Jo Chen's myspace.

http://a984.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/49/l_ddececf68c901de2d67e7c0afc60c6f7.jpg

I wonder if Karl or Georges will be responsible for the Variants.

[Kemy]

Even if Buffy can be bought forward in time, how can the Scythe exist at two points in its own timeline, when Buffy was brought forward, the Scythe was now no longer 'there' and ceases to be part of the original timeline, either staying with Buffy anew or taking it from Fray since it was no longer in the past, altering the timeline even more.

Having both already gives away the outcome as in order for it to be with Fray as well Buffy must return to her own time and live out the events of history as already told so that the Scythe lies in the chamber in New York for Fray to find it in the future.

I hate time travel, its always convoluted. I know he needed to deal with the Fray thing as reading it gives away how Buffy ends and this is Joss' way of undoing that, but seriously now...

[Black Eye Guy]

This is gonna be immense, maybe twilight has something to do with Fray? Can't wait to find out what Buffy thinks of no more magic, no more council and flying cars!

Even if Buffy can be bought forward in time, how can the Scythe exist at two points in its own timeline, when Buffy was brought forward, the Scythe was now no longer 'there' and ceases to be part of the original timeline, either staying with Buffy anew or taking it from Fray since it was no longer in the past, altering the timeline even more.

Having both already gives away the outcome as in order for it to be with Fray as well Buffy must return to her own time and live out the events of history as already told so that the Scythe lies in the chamber in New York for Fray to find it in the future.

I hate time travel, its always convoluted. I know he needed to deal with the Fray thing as reading it gives away how Buffy ends and this is Joss' way of undoing that, but seriously now...

No one knows anything about time travel enough to say that, because it's not real basically it allows the person telling the story to make it up. But if the scythe couldn't exist then neither could Buffy or her cloths, but it would seem that moving it's just moving Buffy and the scythe to a different point in time, so they can exist, then returning them to the point in time again, if it was Frays destiny to find the scythe then she would.

[VisionGuy]

I never read Fray but this sounds really interesting. I hope they don't do it in a way where you have to read Fray to understand what's going on.

[goldenboy]

You should consider giving Fray a shot VG. You could check it out from the library or something. It's a really good read.

I know there are Buffy fans who hate comics and aren't reading Buffy 8. I personally cannot fathom how you could resist now. Karl Moline, very cool. He's probably gotten even better since Fray.

Edit:

Huh. Buffy's holding a scythe that looks like Fray's version -- the blade is completely red. The other one looks like the scythe from Buffy Season 7.

[VisionGuy]

I just saw the cover. (My job blocks picture sites)

It looks amazing! I cannot wait for this.

[nerd4hire]

Wow! I'll see your OMG, and raise you a WTF. That dropped my jaw man. Those two together! I almost feel sorry for Twilight. The return of Jo Chen and Karl Moline. This one's a collector.

Here's a link to some info on Fray and her significance to the Buffyverse...

Fray in the Buffyverse (http://www.buffy-boards.com/showthread.php?t=13348)

[VisionGuy]

I just noticed that Buffy is all dressed up in the picture. I wonder why.

[Lyri]

i just say a link to this fom MySpace, so i clicked, being excited that Jo was back. i actually yelled 'FRAY?!' when i saw the picture...got some strange looks from my sister! lol

the cover looks AWESOME! i always print out my fave covers...this one if now getting added to my collection, lol.

i cannot wait for this arc. i can't wait to see what gets explained. Joss said he was going to return to the Fray-verse...i just didn't think he meant during S8! lol

[Joyce Summers]

Just noticed something else on the cover; Fray's pretty much in Slay-heavy gear which is expected but check out Buffy's outfit. A chiffon dress AND high heels?? This strikes me as slightly odd....

[The Chosen]

My jaw dropped.

I drooled.

I freaked out...

I fit a Pringle in there somewhere but I can't remember where.

HOLY CRAP. THIS IS AMAZING...just...YES! HALLELUJAH! Mel AND Buffy?! THIS IS GOING. TO. BE. THE. BEST. ARC. EVER...

:D

[alexa]

Fray looks to be in her usual outfit. Still thinking about getting her tattoo.. I know I'm so geeky.
I don't get the confusion about the scythes.. one is from the past, one is from the future.. pretty much the same if Spike is still alive in the time of Fray and his present self met his future self.

I'm really impatient for this arc now.. was this the big news I wonder.. or is there more.

[goldenboy]

The confusion about the scythes (for me) has to do with their appearance. Clem Rocks convinced me that both scythes in Jo's cover are "Fray scythes", completely red blades:

http://www.dimensionedelta.net/fray/images/scythe/Comics/Numero%206-1.jpg




Buffy's scythe always has the plain metallic blade section:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3890/14845me7.jpg

I think this is the one Spike was holding -- Buffy's. That's what I'm wondering about...were there multiple scythes in existence, even without all the time travel stuff? Or is it just artistic license, or a slip up.

[Clem Rocks]

Far-fetched idea here, but maybe there's four scythes, two red and silver ones now, and two red ones in the future. Red and Silver: One for Buffy and one for Faith. Red: One for Fray and one for....Fray's brother? I dunno, i haven't read Fray. I have read that Fray is given her's from a demon, maybe the red ones are demonic and the red and silver ones are the true Slayer ones...

[alexa]

Um guys I just think it's because they have been drawn by different artists. Fray was shown with the scythe before Buffy, so it seems natural that it might look a little different to the eventual one that was on tv.. then back in season 8 comics.

[goldenboy]

Yeah, but we're all nerdy obsessive types around here Alexa. :)

Jo has depicted the scythe in both ways with her covers. It looks like Buffy Season 7 style on the first TPB cover. But yeah, this latest cover may just be an homage to Fray. OK. I'll stop wasting keystrokes now...

[TabulaRasa]

Very cool. I never actually read Fray. I don't know if I ever will. I hear good things about it but I am not a comic person at all. But this still seems really great, interesting.

[white avenger]

Maybe the original scythe (the one Buffy used) was somehow lost, for instance in that "final battle" they talked about in the Frey comics, the one that banished all magic from this dimension. Surely in a battle so important, the it would have been used. Afterward, sometime before Frey's time, it was either restored or duplicated, which might explain why the demon had it to give to Frey. The new scythe might be slightly different because whoever made it had an incomplete description of the weapon, so it wouldn't be an exact duplicate of the original.

[nerd4hire]

It does appear to be suggested the slayer had the scythe in the final battle.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/JimJohn/Frayfinalbattle.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/JimJohn/Frayfinalslayerhand.jpg

[alexa]

Think I worked out the differences in the scthes. In relation to the colours, because if you look at when Buffy gets it out of her cabinet or whatever (in issue 4), it's full red.. no silver edges. But when she turns it over on the other side it does have silver.. so seems to me it's red on one side and not on the other. And this makes sense when you see Fray holding it.

The scythe looks weird in the battle shot.. could be.

[Clem Rocks]

*Checks* In that panel, it still has the outline of where the silver should be, Fray's one on that cover doesn't

And N4H, I think that's just a standard axe, the blade is different to the M? and end is flat, no stake attached. Unless that was before they planned how the M? would look in Fray?

[Primal Slayer]

I cant wait for this to come out, I know its going to mind blowing.

[Ashxking]

What if the scyhe was "stained red" killing so many demons might have led to there blood marking it

[nerd4hire]

Here's a little info from Scott Allie on the Fray thing...

Buffy’s bed games aren’t the only big news coming from the Buffyverse these days. Allie also confirmed fan favorite from the future Melaka Fray would be joining the fray in issue #16 for a four-issue arc written by Whedon. As the slayer’s scythe played a central role in the seventh and final television season of “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” in 2001, Whedon penned an eight-issue miniseries starring the character for Dark Horse called “Joss Whedon’s Fray.”

“That one I knew about pretty much since the beginning,” said Allie. “We knew about that from really, really early on that eventually that would happen and Joss would write it. And that we would bring [‘Fray’ artist] Karl [Moline] back to draw it. Since the minute ‘Season 8’ started and fans got a glimpse of what it was basically about, the diehard Buffy fans were all asking when is Fray going to get into it. They knew that somehow Fray would come into it because of what Twilight is hinting at and what the ‘Fray’ series hinted at in terms of Buffy’s fate, so people wondered if that was coming and it was really difficult to keep out mouths shut about that.”

In issue #10, Buffy demands a demon named Tichajt to tell her what the arrival of Twilight – “Season 8’s” Big Bad – means, to which he replies: “The death of magic.”

In “Fray,” it is revealed that sometime in the 21st century, an apocalyptic battle between good and battle occurs which wipes out all demons and magicks, although it is hinted that a lone slayer may have survived.

Jo Chen returns for covers on the series with issue #16 and Moline has already drawn the first issue and is nearly finished with the second part of the arc.

“It (the arc) sews up continuity to some degree,” said Allie. “It definitely tells people that the events in ‘Fray’ that happen in the future is Buffy’s future, most likely. This isn’t just an alternate universe. Fray is a character in the future and now the two of them are going to come together, one way or another and that means she is very much a part of the world that Buffy exists in and is currently creating.”

Allie said from the minute Dark Horse finished “Fray,” the creative team always talked about doing a sequel. “And this crossover, doesn’t rule that out or make that any less necessary,” Allie warned. “I still really want to do that. And Karl wants to do it. And Joss wants to do it. But Joss is busier than ever, right now. So who knows? Keeping ‘Season 8’ going is a priority.”

Comic Book Resources - CBR News: Scott Allie Breaks Down Buffy’s Big Day (Or Night?) - <I>SPOILERS!</I> (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13259)

[Allycat]

I'm still hoping for Fray Volume 2. The way Scott talks about it, it IS a real possibility. I'm guessing that maybe by introducing her in the Buffy comics first, they want to draw more attention to the character.

[Allycat]

Sorry for the doublepost, but I felt I just had to share this tiny bit of info. On the IDW forum, Brian Lynch just denied that the Buffy/Fray crossover has anything to do with the Future Angel and Future Spike we saw in After the Fall recently.

I can't wait for the crossover but I swear up and down the ANGEL stuff has nothing to do with it whatsoever. That said, the cover in Wizard, with Buffy and Fray, is AWESOME.

I truly don't want to disappoint you, I'm telling you it has nothing to do with it. ANGEL:AFTER THE FALL is very self-contained, it doesn't bleed over into the BUFFY comic and vice-versa. I am not trying to deceive or surprise here, I am just trying to ensure you guys don't get your hopes up.

Source: IDW Publishing Forums :: View topic - Buffy Season 8 Discussion Thread. (http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=2394&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=420)

[Clem Rocks]

Didn't he say that ages ago? =/

[Allycat]

Nope, he said that recently on the IDW board in response to seeing people commenting on Jo Chen's cover for issue 16 and the possibility of Future Angel and Future Spike making appearances in it.

[nerd4hire]

I think maybe Scott Allie has just made it clear in an interview. They do appear to be planning to explain those things that don't make sense when you try to connect Chosen to Fray.

CMix: I've heard that a story arc in Season Eight also ties in with the Fray miniseries from a couple years ago? Something about "the death of magic"? Can you tell us a bit about that?

SA: Joss's next writing stint on Season Eight is on issues #16-19, and features a crossover with Fray, which involves time travel. As we saw in Fray, a couple years ago, something happens, sometime in our future, where a Slayer and her mystical allies do something.

Then later there are no more Slayers called for hundreds of years, and there's basically no magic in the world. The Fray series also introduced the scythe, which later popped up in the TV show, and now inSeason Eight.

Many of those connections will become more clear in the new arc.

Interview: Scott Allie on Serenity, Buffy and the Joss Whedon Universe - ComicMix news (http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/03/24/interview-scott-allie-on-serenity-buffy-and-the-joss-whedon-universe/)

[Keanoite]

I haven't read Fray so feel free to shoot me down if this is an extremely stupid question. But, how is Spike part of the Fray future as it were? If all demons and magics were erased in the final battle that means he would have been too. Assuming he hadn't shansued or anything before hand?

[x Queen cordy x]

i really cant wait for this issue buffy and fray together big fight! but i hope buffy kicks frays ass lol

[Keanoite]

alexa agrees: he's apparently not confirmed as part of Fray.. and the vampires/demons came back. You should read it, it's awesome

I totally bought the tpb this morning on TFAW...this thread got me all intrigued:D

[nerd4hire]

I wonder if they'll re-release Fray with a new cover for this new run of B-8. Hey, Fray with a Jo Chen cover.

[alexa]

Anyone notice that there's preview pages for this already?
preview pages (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=92159514&blogID=370897777)


Also
Moline Returns (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13495)

The description makes it sound like Willow and Buffy find that room maybe with the scythe.. from Tales of the Slayers?
Love how it starts the way Fray does.

On a hot tip, Buffy and Willow head to Manhattan hoping to unlock the secrets of Buffy’s mysterious scythe, but something goes terribly awry when Buffy suddenly finds herself transported to an unknown world, and into the path of future-Slayer, Fray. Buffy creator, Joss Whedon teams with his Fray co-creator, Karl Moline in "Time of Your Life." Jo Chen and Georges Jeanty join the team for covers.

This is going to be so awesome!

[Evilyn]

Yeah, this is gonna rock. I also like how they are taking the story to NYC. I like the change of scenery so far in the comics. They really are doing things they couldn't do on the show. Scotland, Tokyo, NYC, not just southern California.

Also note how everyone on the MySpace blog is speculating that Dawn is pregnant. Why does she have to be pregnant? I'd say it's more along the lines of her giant-sized Aunt Flo paying her a visit. Not trying to be tacky or anything, but from a woman's perspective, that's what I immediately thought. I mean, cuz it sucks as a normal sized female, imagine how much worse it feels as a giant sized one.

Or, she could have food poisoning.

[alexa]

lol yeah maybe some rotten apples.
Probably more likely something to do with her being big for too long? Or Willow changing her?

[Allycat]

The preview pages are very tantalising. I love how Karl Moline's style fits right in with the previous artists. Too bad he's not doing any covers.

[goldenboy]

I love how the opening two page spread is a complete homage to Fray—with Buffy in Fray's original pose, falling down to the street. Sweet. Plus the "bad day" quip. Love it.

Looks like Karl has refined his style a little over the years, or he was trying to capture some of that Jeanty flavor. Plus, still the same inker and colorist. I want Moline on this book forever! Or just a tag team of Jeanty/Moline.

And I guess the scythe's look is irrelevent...

[nerd4hire]

Looks like Karl has refined his style a little over the years, or he was trying to capture some of that Jeanty flavor.

I noticed that too. Would one call the original more stylistic, or less refined? Either way I loved the way it flowed, handled the action, and delivered those big emotional punches. Fray holding little Loo's body, the final frame, and such. I wonder if he'll do one of those big 2 page spreads he did in Fray.

That's a great preview though. Might be the best so far. The Dawn image is perfect. Ouch, I feel her pain. And I love his new Fray.

(Keano, I did the spoiler tag for you, because you didn't sign onto this spoiler thread for Fray spoilers. I won't do it again though. Fair warning).

[Canon]

I am so excited for this arc! It's gonna be awesome.

I also love Moline's artwork. He's gonna be great for these 4 issues.

[goldenboy]

Would one call the original more stylistic, or less refined? Either way I loved the way it flowed, handled the action, and delivered those big emotional punches.

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7828/fraybuffyff4.jpg

I think I may actually prefer the more stylized, comic booky original. I can't tell yet. The shading, coloring is so airbrush perfect in Buffy 8. But that's not Moline's doing. Love the way he draws Buffy. This is gonna be a brilliant arc, no matter what.

[Lyri]

Ok, love, love, LOVE the art work. (I feel bad saying that. I'm such a huge Georges fan)

I really loved Buffy's opening line. It's just a really cool thing to do.

[The Chosen]

So, on the issue of the scythe -- is it possible that there's more than one? In the preview pages it looks like Buffy's just teleported in -- look right above her head. It's all sparkly and stuff... Maybe when Will and Buf go to Manhattan they find a new scythe? I dunno, it's an idea.

[nerd4hire]

This has nothing much to do with anything, but Fray would make a great Halloween costume. Note to self: next Halloween advise someone to go as Fray.

[Otaku Mike]

So, on the issue of the scythe -- is it possible that there's more than one? In the preview pages it looks like Buffy's just teleported in -- look right above her head. It's all sparkly and stuff... Maybe when Will and Buf go to Manhattan they find a new scythe? I dunno, it's an idea.
The Scythe: There is only one. Buffy apparently teleported into the future while holding hers, and bumped into Fray wielding the same Scythe, the one she later got in the comics.
Also, the differences between Fray's Scythe and the TV show's are now officially chalked up as artistic license. They are the exact same in these new pics, and presumably always have been.

The Sparkly: I'm pretty sure it's not sparkling over Buffy's head. More likely, they're lights from an incoming flying car emerging from the shadow of the building (see how they're symetrical).

Mike

[white avenger]

Something just occurred to me: unless there are, in fact, two scythes, wouldn't the whole thing get into the paradox about an oblect occupying two places at the same time?

[Karl]

Hi, haven't read all the previous posts, but am I right to assume that the slayer who ends all magics and banishes all the demons is Buffy? Tichajt says it in 'Anywhere But Home' and now we're getting a Fray/Buffy crossover. Obviously, this (end of magics and demons) can't happen (Joss is planning season 9 already). So will it come down to Buffy travelling to the future, then coming back and changing the course of events leading up to 'Fray' and all the Frayverse will be changed? Sounds like a paradox, but then again every time-travelling story includes paradoxes.

[nerd4hire]

On Buffy being the slayer we see in the final battle portrayed in Fray, that's one of the questions concerning the Buffy-Fray connection Joss will hopefully answer.

There's a lot of speculation on that one. Here's an old interview with David Fury.

JOZIC: I know a lot of people, especially after reading the Fray mini-series where Joss alludes to the last slayer before Fray come into the picture 200 years later, who thought that Buffy was going to die at the end of season 7. I asked Jane Espenson about it and she said that, as far as she knew, there wasn't any plan to have Buffy die - that it wasn't in Joss' plan.

FURY: No, and I'm not really sure that in the Fray series it indicated that the slayer did die.

JOZIC: There was a big portal, or something, and all the demons were coming out - very much like the end of Angel…

FURY: Right.

JOZIC: …but basically, the slayer pushed all the demons back and followed them in, sealing the thing off...

FURY: Interesting. I didn't remember that.

JOZIC: …and then there was no slayer for the next 200 years.

FURY: All I do remember was that there was a definitive story.

One can only suspect that that story has yet to be told for Buffy.

JOZIC: I know Joss also said that the slayer mythology had kind of grown over the year or two that he was writing Fray, so…

FURY: Yeah, the last season did require a lot of rethinking in terms of the potential slayers. You know, Joss' thing, and rightly so, is that he allowed the mythology to serve whatever story he wanted to tell so he didn't lock himself into a concrete mythology that would limit him. If he had a story he wanted to tell, he would adjust the mythology accordingly. A lot of people had their own ideas about how slayers were called, or if they knew they were going to be called, or if they go through life blindly or do they have watchers all their life like Kendra did or does a watcher come to them in the last second like it did for Buffy at the point where they were about to be called? Those are things which just kind of…whatever fits the correct way to tell a story of all girls and about all the potential they have to be heroes. So, yeah, he certainly adjusted it accordingly.

As far as Buffy [being] sealed up inside, it's very possible that Joss had the idea…well, I will say this. Very early in the season, the finale was going to be Buffy having to force the Hellmouth open. I don't remember it being so much about being in cave spaces, it might have been, but the point of it was they were trying so hard to keep the Hellmouth closed that she realized that the only way to do this is to open the Hellmouth. It was one of those ways of thinking that we were going to figure out later but to defeat them you have to open the Hellmouth wide. Probably at some point when Joss was writing Fray he thought that, when that happens, Willow casts this spell which creates sort of a vacuum effect and that Buffy would be sealed inside, but I think ultimately he decided that wasn't the way to end the series - for Buffy to be potentially dead.

JOZIC: He also never specified that the last slayer was Buffy…

FURY: I talked to him about it when he was writing Fray and I think that he always had the sense that it was Buffy. But the fact that it's left vague in the comics makes it open for interpretation. People can decide whatever they want and Joss can certainly decide it's not Buffy, but at the time he wrote it he believed that it was Buffy. That she was the last slayer before Fray was called. I think it gave Buffy a greater stake in the mythology to know that she was the last one before Fray was called.

But, like I said, that's a story yet to be told.



http://www.mikejozic.com/buffyweek6.html

[Canon]

The variant's been released:

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7277/buffy16bpr1.jpg

[Black Eye Guy]

Cool, thats Vi right. I've been looking forward to seeing more of her!

Anyone have a guess who the girl with the black hair is? Fray has pink at the end of hers?

[Canon]

I'm pretty sure that it's Willow, Buffy, Vi and Kennedy on the cover.

I would have thought Fray woulda been on the cover, after all, she is kinda vital to the arc =P

[Keanoite]

I'm pretty sure that it's Willow, Buffy, Vi and Kennedy on the cover.

I would have thought Fray woulda been on the cover, after all, she is kinda vital to the arc =P

Me too but this cover looks like before Fray enters the picture, or technically before Buffy enters Fray's world.

[goldenboy]

It's gonna be cool seeing those guys tramping around the Big Apple...until the big time shift thing or whatever happens.

[Lyri]

Okay, seeing Georges' cover has left me confused. Obviously, Fray's in this issue, as she's on the cover and in the preview pages...unless the preview pages are actually from #17? And Buffy gets transported to Fray's world at the end of #16?

[Joyce Summers]

Hey, Willow has an ipod. Haha. Good to know she's a Wicca who Thinkas. Gotta have a good soundtrack when you're off to battle Evil. Plus, I'm glad we get to see Vi again- she was one of the Potentials I actually liked. Haha.

[Clem Rocks]

Hey, Willow has an ipod.

Is that what that is? I thought it was the end of her belt XD

[Allycat]

I'll be disappointed if I get this one. Lately Jeanty's variants ave been getting better than the regulars, but this one I don't like. On who'se in the picture, I'm going to say Buffy, Willow, Vi, and Kennedy.

[goldenboy]

Okay, seeing Georges' cover has left me confused. Obviously, Fray's in this issue, as she's on the cover and in the preview pages...unless the preview pages are actually from #17? And Buffy gets transported to Fray's world at the end of #16?

That is confusing. I wonder if the girls' arrival in contemporary NYC is shown in flashbacks in #16, or something. Joss does like to jump around quite a bit.

[tommy]

The preview pages are fantastic. I can't wait for this.

[Slayerfest 99]

Not to be picky or anything, does anyone else notice that Melaka's (fray) tatto is on the wrong arm???I just read the Fray TPB a alittle over a week ago and her tatto is on the left shoulder not the right: erm : or did someone already post something about this and I didn't see it??