OMG Spoiler for Issue # 12

[nerd4hire]

Well, it's a spoiler tonight. It won't be tomorrow when the issue comes out.

Actually I haven't even finished reading about it yet. I just glanced at the preview page from the comic, and it dropped my jaw. I whipped over here to talk about it.

* Hint * It's hot!

So why, post a whole a thread for something people will be talking about all over the discussion thread? It's big, that's why. It needs it's own thread.

Feel free to talk about it here. It's marked as a spoiler thread, but just to tease you, in case you haven't heard yet, I'll put it in spoiler tags.

Buffy does Satsu

The whole article is Here (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/books/05buffy.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin)

You know it's big if it's in the New York Times.

[Rowan Hawthorn]

Given Buffy's current state, I'm not in the least surprised (well, I'm surprised, but not Surprised, if you knowwhatImean...)

[XDruX]

O, the whole first Chapter of Season 8 is available on this page!


And, well, not really surprised.

[Allycat]

zOMG! This couldn't have caught me more off guard. It's a good twist, to be sure, but dang! That's one big unexpected twist.

[XDruX]

zOMG! This couldn't have caught me more off guard. It's a good twist, to be sure, but dang! That's one big unexpected twist.


Which one was unexpected: that Satsu loves Buffy or that Buffy and Satsu are in the same bed?

[nerd4hire]

Yeah, it's not really clear from that one little picture the totality of what this signifies, but the article does say this...

But before fans start blogging frantically, they should know that Mr. Whedon is clear where this is headed. “We’re not going to make her gay, nor are we going to take the next 50 issues explaining that she’s not. She’s young and experimenting, and did I mention open-minded?”

[Joyce Summers]

I just read that article all agape. I would have loved for someone to have taken a photo of my expression where I saw the comic book page of the two of them. My mouth was all open and my eyes were all wide. And I realized that was how my expression stayed till I reached the last word of the article.

Needless to say this was a twist to end all twists in my little world.

[nerd4hire]

I have this hunch Satsu's days just became numbered.

Here's another reason they really need to do a Season 8 movie.

[WatcherByBirthright]

Though Buffy wanted to resolve all this with Satsu, I thought their conversation last issue still pointed (eventually) towards this development. But - YIKES! Still did not see it coming this issue for a moment.

[Clem Rocks]

Told you it would happen in another thread....kinda XD

[Canon]

Well, my face looked so surprised that my sister actually noticed. I wasn't expecting this at all, but I kinda was at the same time if you know what I mean.

I just wish I hadn't looked at the spoiler now, I would have loved to have just flipped the page over in the actual comic and then got the surprise, I think I would have been way more shocked by waiting =P

Oh well, looking forward to reading the full issue tomorrow.

[superspooky]

Well i was gobsmacked when i found out but hey its 2008..........so go Buffy:cheering:

[Clem Rocks]

Well, my face looked so surprised that my sister actually noticed. I wasn't expecting this at all, but I kinda was at the same time if you know what I mean.

I just wish I hadn't looked at the spoiler now, I would have loved to have just flipped the page over in the actual comic and then got the surprise, I think I would have been way more shocked by waiting =P

Oh well, looking forward to reading the full issue tomorrow.

Tomorrow? It comes out today...

[Canon]

Tomorrow? It comes out today...

Yeah, I know, but the Forbidden Planet here in Glasgow puts them out on Thursdays instead of Wednesdays, so I just have to wait an extra day :)

[LadyLavinia]

Buffy has a homosexual relationship with a fellow Slayer and the NEW YORK TIMES feels they had to report it? Did they react this way when Willow became involved with Tara?

[Black Eye Guy]

Hmm, Buffy was always about the Girl power!

Tomorrow? It comes out today...
In the states it comes out on a wednesday but in the UK and Ireland they come out on Thursdays?

Buffy has a homosexual relationship with a fellow Slayer and the NEW YORK TIMES feels they had to report it? Did they react this way when Willow became involved with Tara?
It's different with a main character and secondary character.

It's an interesting thing to do!

Buffy really does like her sex doesn't she, using Spike in season 6 and now Satsu in season 8, that should have some interesting ramifications!

[nerd4hire]

Buffy has a homosexual relationship with a fellow Slayer and the NEW YORK TIMES feels they had to report it? Did they react this way when Willow became involved with Tara?

I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me. It was considered entertainment news at the time. It was all over the place. The other one that made the news was the Ally MacBeal lesbian kiss. I think this one's news, more because of Buffy's cult status, and the novelty of turning a cult icon lesbian (even though that's not exactly what happened).

I think maybe if Wonder Woman swung her allegiances - so to speak - you'd hear about it too. Maybe she did though, and I missed it. She didn't, did she?

[Five]

"I KNOW !!" would I say to quote Monica Geller from Friends.

I just read the comics and I was SO shocked. Ok, I sure didn't see that one coming. When I first saw it, I was like "Okay, it must be someone's dream. Joss has played this trick lots of times... Yeah someone's dream : Satsu's, Andrew's, Xander's... even maybe Willow's!!" But OMG it was real. I was as taken off guard as you were, Joyce Summers.

Btw, when will the discussion thread be open? =)

[Clem Rocks]

In the states it comes out on a wednesday but in the UK and Ireland they come out on Thursdays?

Oh right, i was going by the fact that the release date i have for it is the 5th, and that's today

[thegifting]

Wow, this is completely lame.

[Primal Slayer]

ya this is Joss' worst moment writing Buffy IMO. It just isnt Buffy and he knows it. I dont know why he would go and make Buffy doubt herself all of sudden. Good thing SMG doesnt read Buffy comics (atleast I dont think she does) since she would totally be against this probably.

[Rowan Hawthorn]

Well, so far the fandom hasn't disappointed me...

[ckg927]

Um,Primal,exactly why is it a disappointment?

If you now lead-if not in person,then in spirit-nearly 2 thousand slayers(when before there were only 2,at most),I'd think you would certainly worry about those new slayers,hoping they'll follow your path(which isn't really likely;we've already seen a rogue slayer in the book)-as well as the consequences of the path she took when all the potentials were activated. Heaven knows,if I was in the same situation,I'D be worrying about it a bit too.

[Primal Slayer]

Um,Primal,exactly why is it a disappointment?

If you now lead-if not in person,then in spirit-nearly 2 thousand slayers(when before there were only 2,at most),I'd think you would certainly worry about those new slayers,hoping they'll follow your path(which isn't really likely;we've already seen a rogue slayer in the book)-as well as the consequences of the path she took when all the potentials were activated. Heaven knows,if I was in the same situation,I'D be worrying about it a bit too.

why is it a dissapointment that Buffy slept with another Slayer? Cause its not Buffy to me. I just dont see why Buffy would just now be wanting to experiment with her sexuality or doubt who she is in that department. Sure it worked great for Willow, but for Buffy not so much imo.

[iluvcosmo14]

Not sure if this is a spoiler or not, so I shall code. OMG! I am STILL reeling from this. I haven't even gotten my comic yet, and omg. I am floored. I knew Satsu loved Buffy, but I didn't think they'd do it after like....however long. It's crazy. Crazy good, but crazy. Now I'm ranting because I am so happy and shocked and aghast and so many other things at once....*deep breath* Wow.

Er...I can't find a way to code. Sorry...

[Tranquillity]

yeah, gotta admit i was totally surprised. I turned the page and there it was - Wow (to echo Buffy's words). I for one did not expect that development. I'm intreagued as to how they moved from Buffy being flattered but rejecting Satsu's advances (in the previous issue) to the two of them hitting the sheets together (in this one). I can understand what Primal Slayer is saying though, that it is a bit out of character and i can't imagine televisionbuffy making this particular choice, but hey - a girls gotta do what a girls gotta do. My first thought was that it smacked of cheap titillation for no particular purpose and then i started to think that there probably is a purpose behind it - either satsu will bite the big one or she'll be the traitor. I eagerly await more (not Bufsu scenes, more story!)

[Amber Benson]

Oh yea, I did the whole, jaw drop, blink several times...

It's one of those things that you might have considered for a second after the last couple issues with them in it, but it was more of a "maybe... naaah" sort of idea...

I'm still stunned lol

[ckg927]

why is it a dissapointment that Buffy slept with another Slayer? Cause its not Buffy to me. I just dont see why Buffy would just now be wanting to experiment with her sexuality or doubt who she is in that department. Sure it worked great for Willow, but for Buffy not so much imo.

I get that,but I'm talking more in the general sense of overall doubt-not the fact that she decided to be bed buddies with Satsu or to see what her sexuality is.

[CharmedSlayer85]

I don't know if I like the whole gay for one day thing, I mean I'm not one of those fans that'll protest the comic or write hate mail to Joss no, but I just don't think it was very Buffy, but then again who am I to judge as I'm not the creator of Buffy and who better to know what Buffy would do then the person that created Buffy. I personally though would like to see a gay relationship surface in the comics. Like have Andrew finally come out the closet or perhaps it should have been Xander that did the experimentation. After all when Joss was deciding he wanted a gay character, he was thinking about Xander at first but ultimately decided on Willow.

[alexa]

Why do I insist on spoiling myself! I need help ;)
I prolly wont get my issue till Monday, but I read NYTimes and had to go over and was stunned with the panel.

As stated on whedonesque.. I was shocked a little disappointed.. and then disappointed that I was shocked and disappointed. I get that Buffy's not gay, and she needed this at this time, which is what Joss states in the interview.. but mostly I'm just a little off put by 'more hot girl on girl' because my male friends who love Buffy just love to gawk all over that, and it seems to veer into exploitative territory. Where's all the gay males? Seem to be the embodiment of a geeky Andrew.

Anyway I trust that Joss knows where he's going with this.. might feel different when I get to read the issue.

[nerd4hire]

I'm just a little off put by 'more hot girl on girl' because my male friends who love Buffy just love to gawk all over that, and it seems to veer into exploitative territory. Where's all the gay males?

Season 8's not over yet. :)

[FeastOnScraps]

:O I saw this on Prez (lame I know) but I really hate this plot buffy would never sleep with a girl its totally out of character.

[smgfan75]

I love it, if only this were the show, and it were actually smg. I was shocked, but I saw this coming at the end of the last issue, I also can't wait to get the next issue.

[Allycat]

I don't get where all this she-would-never and it's-too-late-to-experiment come from. Some women have been married (with children) for years, before they discover they're lesbians. Certainly it's not too late for Buffy to dabble a bit.

[Joyce Summers]

I don't get where all this she-would-never and it's-too-late-to-experiment come from. Some women have been married (with children) for years, before they discover they're lesbians. Certainly it's not too late for Buffy to dabble a bit.

I get that and agree but I think it's just Buffy came across as the non-gay dabbling kind. If she was ever going to have escape sex (which this seems to be) it would totally be with a vampire. Haha. But seriously I think it just seems out of character for Buffy in particular, not 20-odd-year-old women in general.
Ironically I would see Dawn as the more experimenting type than Buffy. Not that that still wouldn't shock me. Haha.

I don't know...I guess we'll just have to see where all this leads then maybe it'll all make a little more sense.

[Ashxking]

Im on the same boat. I can understand Buffy sleeping with someone to feel something. I would have picked Xander as her bed buddy. But i think the trader has been shown and its you Satsu

[Rowan Hawthorn]

If Faith hadn't gone wrong, she and Buffy would totally have ended up in the sack at some point.

[Allycat]

I don't think so. Faith explicitely said in No Future For You, Part 1:

Hey, I likes me some kink, but if you think I'm going downtown on this chick, you chose the wrong chosen one.

Wow, it just hit me that that was some major foreshadowing!

[Rowan Hawthorn]

I don't think so. Faith explicitely said in No Future For You, Part 1:



Wow, it just hit me that that was some major foreshadowing!

She may have said that in NFFY, and may even have meant it at the time, but re-watch early Season 3 (just before Faith's little "oops" with the deputy mayor) and tell me there wasn't more than just a little subtext going on there. It may well have not been intended by either of them, but I wouldn't have been at all surprised to see them hit the sheets some night after an extra-heavy slaying session.

[Joyce Summers]

This thread is now taking me to some very scary visual places haha. But I agree that there was a lot of subtext in season 3 but to me it all seemed one sided- that one side being Faith. Which is why my shock is even more so now re Buffy/Satsu. Buffy just never showed any signs or any inclinations to that way of thinking. Maybe Will's been a bad influence, sending lesbian intrigue jokes or something, Haha.

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Clem Rocks agrees: Dawn having some hot lesbian action? Oh dear god yes please! =D

Bad, bad Clem. ::Tuts:: Haha.

[Clem Rocks]

Bad, bad Clem. ::Tuts:: Haha.

I can't help it if she was played by my biggest celebrity crush XD

[Joyce Summers]

Allycat agrees: Maybe something happened inside Buffy's head when she heard Willow's fantasy of snuggling up with Tina Fey ;)

Haha, perhaps, perhaps. Maybe Buffy wanted a glimpse at what the fuss was all about. Haha.


Originally posted by Clem
can't help it if she was played by my biggest celebrity crush XD

Hmmmm :disapproving look: Hehe. I dread to think who you'd want her partner to be. :JS thinks for a moment: Wait! Don't answer that!

[Clem Rocks]

Hmmmm :disapproving look: Hehe. I dread to think who you'd want her partner to be. :JS thinks for a moment: Wait! Don't answer that!

*Answers it* I hadn't even thought about who it would be, don't worry :P

[Black Eye Guy]

I don't really get how people can say that about Buffy (It being out of character), I think it's very in character!

It's always been shown that Buffy liked sex, makes sense now that she has no one and is surrounded by all girls except for Xander, who she would probably consider more family, that she would turn to a girl for Sex.

The only thing that I don't like abut it, is the situation. It's always been shown that the potentials were younger then the gang, but I guess thats debateable.

But to go and have sex with Satsu without letting her know first that it would be a one time thing was a bit stupid. Satsu was being very rational about it, but she could have gone the other way and gotten pissed off, told everyone and screwed Buffy over as she how could she be their leader after something like that?

How do you guys see Willow taking this? I see her going for being insulted that Buffy would just experiment when she knows she's not gay. I don't think it would go the insulted cuz it wasn't me route.

on a side note, pity this wasn't on TV. Think about it, Slayer - Vampire = hot, Slayer - Sayer = Hot and one word:

stamina.

[Tranquillity]

It's always been shown that Buffy liked sex, makes sense now that she has no one and is surrounded by all girls except for Xander, who she would probably consider more family, that she would turn to a girl for Sex.

Ok, so any old hetrosexual chick who happens to enjoy sex is a gonna turn to a girl for a bit of action when she has an itch that needs to be scratched? Sorry still don't buy it.
I am starting to wonder if its a coincidence that Satsu is a naked "ASIAN" girl (according to Andrew's observation) and the new menace that has just stolen the scythe also happen to be Asian. I smell collusion. Buffy has always been suseptable to love spells and completely oblivious to the fact she's under one... okay maybe not, but i am looking for some purpose for why this is important to the story. I hate the idea that Buffy had an unconventional encounter purely to make us all go WOW (which we are all doing very nicely btw:)). Yeah, there were sex scenes in BTVS but they were always pretty purposeful in the context of the story. I need there to be a logical, contextual purpose for this one too.

[Rowan Hawthorn]

Oh, there is.

Faith: Isn't it funny how slaying makes you hungry and horny?:lmao:

[goldenboy]

Did you guys see this piece yet? Joss suggests he tried to set up a rationale for #12, in #11, in this interview:

JOSS WHEDON: BUFFY #12 AND THE WHOLE SERIES - NEWSARAMA (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=149216)

And an intersesting tidbit on Season 9.

[Keanoite]

Add me to the shocked parade, I really should have seen it coming but I can't help but feel this is not something that ever would have happened if the show was still on tv. Something about it feels that Whedon is going for the headlines with this one, rather than staying through to the character.

[nerd4hire]

Good interview link GB. Something struck me about the list of writers for the stand-alones - "Jane Espenson, Drew Greenburg, Doug Petrie, Steve DeKnight, and Jim Krueger. Four Buffy writers, and a great comic book writer."

Isn't Doug Petrie the guy Fuffy's are always fussing over, because supposedly he was giving Faith these subliminal, homosexual insinuations? It got me to thinking, if he does a Faith story, could it be...

I also checked out that Buffy/Satsu panel again. Did anybody else find themselves taken back to the days of the online comic, "Evil Vampire Willow"? Does anybody even know what I'm talking about?

Edit:

Also, this means absolutely nothing really, but wasn't it kind of cute in that panel that Mr. Gordo was laying on the floor. :) Love the way Jeanty always finds something cool to put in the background.

Oh and another member of the mainstream media jumped on the story - ABC.

ABC News: Buffy's Lesbian Romp a Marketing Ploy? (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=4396156&page=1)

Also...

Scott Allie defends Joss against allegations of just forcing in the Buffy/Satsu thing for the hype.

With #12 being “Cloverfield” and “Lost” writer Drew Goddard’s first issue on the popular comic, some have speculated the same-sex encounter was a pure publicity stunt by Dark Horse. To that, Allie said, “Uh, uh.”

“This seed was planted in Joss’ first arc,” he explained. “In issue #3, we saw the beginnings of this. And Joss and Drew really started working on the ‘Wolves at the Gate’ storyline in late spring/early summer of last year.

Busted!
“The way the story evolved with ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 8’ is Joss and the writer, whether it’s Brian K. Vaughan or Drew or the writers that are coming up later, these guys are all friends, they have a working history, they have relationships so they spend time together and just shoot the shit about this stuff and they spitball and come up with it.

“And they talk about what they like to do. Drew really likes Dracula. That’s why Dracula is in the ’Wolves at the Gate’ arc. It wasn’t, ‘we need Dracula now, let’s find the best guy to write it.’ It was more, ‘we want to do something with Drew, at this point, what’s appropriate?’ So the two of them, talking this story out, is how this thing evolved.

“It was after they worked out this story line that Joss actually went in and wrote issues #10 and #11. So issue #11 very much set up the Satsu thing. At one point, we didn’t know Joss would write issue #11. At one point, Drew’s arc was going to start with #11, but scheduling shuffled stuff around and it made most sense to do those two issues in a row, which gave him the opportunity to develop this thing with Satsu so it wouldn’t come out of nowhere when issue #12 came out.”

Allie did admit Dark Horse had tipped off retailers that ordering some extra issues of #12 wouldn’t be the worst idea.

Comic Book Resources - CBR News: Scott Allie Breaks Down Buffy’s Big Day (Or Night?) - <I>SPOILERS!</I> (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13259)

[alexa]

Rowan Hawthorn disagrees: So far in the entire 7 1/2 seasons we've had what, a grand total of 2 hot(?) girl-on-girl scenes? Compared to how many half-nekkid Buffy/Boyfriend? Wow, smokin'! Maybe they should've done the whole Buffy/Satsu scene in blacked-out panels...

Dude all I did was express an opinion. Actually I was really balanced in that and never attacked anyone else in doing so, and suggested I might feel different after reading the issue. I'm not going to just automatically agree with people like you, or anyone else. If I have a different view on the world get over it.

Anyway I'm looking forward to getting this, trying to not read the transcripts that are around! Had a friend spoil me already :p Wonder if I can pick up #13 in Rome somewhere.. how do you say "Can I have the new Buffy comic" in Italian?

[Amber Benson]

The bottom line is, this is Joss... if anyone knows what Buffy would potentially do, it's him... Joss knows best. It's why we're all here... 'cause if he didn't, the show would have never been the cult-classic it grew to be.

Ok, so any old hetrosexual chick who happens to enjoy sex is a gonna turn to a girl for a bit of action when she has an itch that needs to be scratched?

You'd be surprised ;)

[Rowan Hawthorn]

Dude all I did was express an opinion. Actually I was really balanced in that and never attacked anyone else in doing so, and suggested I might feel different after reading the issue. I'm not going to just automatically agree with people like you, or anyone else. If I have a different view on the world get over it.

Jesus H Christ, I did not attack you, I commented on your effin' post, and that was all. Grow up, for gods' sake.

[Keanoite]

Lol, is that your Bangel obsession speaking

I'm sure I don't know what your talking about...:whistle:


And hey guys lets calm down a wee bit here ok, we're just chatting:)

[white avenger]

Has anybody noticed that Buffy seems to always have the worst "morning after the night before" experiences? Angel woke up a monster, Parker had left, she woke up scared that Riley wouldn't be there, she was shamed and disgusted after Spike, and now everybody in the castle but the janitor walks in on her first female experience (okay, maybe that one wasn't technically the morning after, unless you consider it being after midnight). She never gets to enjoy a little snuggle and smooch followed by the whispering and giggling that always makes the whole thing perfect. I feel kinda sorry for the girl. her happy time always turns into a disaster.

On another note entirely, can we really continue to call this a spoiler, given its widespread coverage by the media? Everybody in the free world must know by now.

[Allycat]

Good points WA. That snuggling afterwards is one of the best parts of the whole experience and Buffy seems to miss out on it time and again. I guess she really only had that with Riley.

And, I guess it's not really a spoiler anymore... sort of at least. That gives me an idea for a new poll.