Buffy/Angel Characters Get Out of Jail Free Cards.

[wiccianslayer]

Was there anything your blood just boiled at something the charactors of buffy or angel got away with?

If there was what do you think should have happened? how should it have played out?

[palabravampiress]

Yup. Connor never properly atoned for sinking Angel to the bottom of the ocean or for killing all of those people in the bombing incident that led to the new identity, the altered memories, and the crew working at Wolfram & Hart.

[Allycat]

Angel killed him. How's that for atonement?

I can't think of anything right now, but I've noticed it in many TV shows, that they play off things the characters do rather easily, without real consequences. Except when they have no ideas for new plot lines and they suddenly blow things to epic proportions.

[palabravampiress]

Angel killed him. How's that for atonement?

I can't think of anything right now, but I've noticed it in many TV shows, that they play off things the characters do rather easily, without real consequences. Except when they have no ideas for new plot lines and they suddenly blow things to epic proportions.

What do you mean? Angel didn't kill Connor.

Umm... unless you just spoiled me for the comics. You didn't, did you?

[goldenboy]

What do you mean? Angel didn't kill Connor.

It's implied, isn't it? In the sporting goods store, end of Season 4.


ANGEL: I really do love you, Connor.

CONNOR: So what are you gonna do about it?

ANGEL: Prove it.

(In a flash of light, Angel's arm moves downward; it looks like he cuts Connor's throat, but we don't see the impact as the screen fills with white)

[Lyri]

did he actually kill anyone in that 'bombing incident'? as the boards' resident Connor fanatic, i feel it's my duty to stand up for him. Granted, i haven't watched S4 for a few months, but from what i rememeber, he threatened to blow everyone up, but Angel got everyone out.

[Buffy obsessed fan]

Both Giles and Willow killed humans, neither of them got any punishment for that.

[goldenboy]

did he actually kill anyone in that 'bombing incident'? as the boards' resident Connor fanatic, i feel it's my duty to stand up for him. Granted, i haven't watched S4 for a few months, but from what i rememeber, he threatened to blow everyone up, but Angel got everyone out.

Yeah, he never actually did. He...didn't really do much of anything to stop Jasmine from eating people, though he was conflicted about it towards the end.

Buffy is technically guilty of attempted murder when she gutted Faith to try to save Angel.

Faith only served 3 years for...was she convicted of killing that vulcanologist? Was that among the charges? That was a premeditated assassination basically.

Xander inadvertently, indirectly caused at least 1 death when he invoked Sweet, brought him to Sunnydale.

Anya willingly became a vengeance demon, twice. How many people did she kill?

[The Chosen]

Both Giles and Willow killed humans, neither of them got any punishment for that.

Willow's had to live with the guilt and pain for all of that and it's been shown. It's not ACTUAL punishment, but it's good enough for me lol.

[WickedWillow]

I think Willow would be at the top of my list. Lots of people kill and then feel guilt for it. Doesn't mean they don't deserve some hard time! :) I love Willow, she's my favotire but in the real world, she would not be walking around free.

[celestialarrow]

I think Willow would be at the top of my list. Lots of people kill and then feel guilt for it. Doesn't mean they don't deserve some hard time! :) I love Willow, she's my favotire but in the real world, she would not be walking around free.



but if willow's guilty so is warren i mean he killed both tara and katrina while he was still human and attempted to pin the latter(katrina)'s death on buffy he is a horrible person and never really got what was coming to him besides being flayed alive. plus willow wasn't herself fueled by vengence and fury and a bolt load of black magic i think anyone would be a little cranky.

[Entiel]

angel also killed that general of W&H squad team in episode 1 of season 5...even Buffy who's supposed to not kill humans in season 1 episode 6 she threw that zoo keeper in the hyena cage...

[palabravampiress]

I think Willow would top my list, too. I mean, she flayed a guy alive. She also shot him in the chest -- slowly. That was a gruesome, premeditated death. He was murdered out of vengeance. If Faith had to go to prison, then I think Willow should have had to do some time, too.

Really, though, all of the characters have some amount of blood on their hands. Even sweet Fred, who killed the professor (with Gunn's help) was no innocent. Some characters' actions killed inadvertently or accidentally (for example, Xander summoned Sweet). Other characters did so out of necessity; in war, there are always casualties. One dead guy is better than an apocalypse. That's why Giles killed Ben. I was on board with that. Some people were killed or otherwise dispatched in self-defense (hyena man and Amy's mom would, for me, both fall into that category). Very rarely, though, core characters' actions were premeditated and/or motivated by a desire for revenge. The murders of Warren and the professor both fit that category for me. The murder of Lindsey... locking the W&H folks in a wine cellar with Dru and Darla... these things didn't even fit into the gray area for me. Those are the types of actions for which I don't think Buffyverse characters deserve a get-out-of-jail-free card.

[wiccianslayer]

BIG ISSUE FOR ME

Xnader's attemted rape with buffy

He pretended he didn't remember when spike did it he took repsonsabilty!

Giles let him get a way with it he was so hypocritical i wanna strangle xander at times

GRRRRRRRRRR

[alexa]

BIG ISSUE FOR ME

Xnader's attemted rape with buffy

He pretended he didn't remember when spike did it he took repsonsabilty!

Giles let him get a way with it he was so hypocritical i wanna strangle xander at times

GRRRRRRRRRR

Huh?:drunk: Xander's what now?
I'd comment about what I think you're trying to say but so many possibilities :p

I would have liked to see more atonement for Willow also. Only really touched on her redemption.

Maybe Angel after he goes all out on humans post season 4. And Spike in some ways.

Faith and Connor's bad histories were resolved really nicely in my opinion. And still continue to be.

[Blondie Bear]

Xander has gotten away with a LOT of bad behavior over the years that I'd love to see get brought up in a real knock-down drag-out fight among the Scoobies.

[InsaneMystic]

BIG ISSUE FOR ME

Xnader's attemted rape with buffy

He pretended he didn't remember when spike did it he took repsonsabilty!

Giles let him get a way with it he was so hypocritical i wanna strangle xander at times

GRRRRRRRRRR
Huh?:drunk: Xander's what now?
I'd comment about what I think you're trying to say but so many possibilities :p
I'm almost 100% certain wiccianslayer is talking about "The Pack". However (and I didn't think I'd ever say that in regard to a rapist...) he can't be blamed for that, as it really wasn't him but the hyena spirit that possessed him. While it may be cowardly to play Mr. Amnesia afterwards, he definitely deserves a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card for the attempted rape itself.

[littlewilly]

Xanders attempted rape of buffy? what? are people just making things up now? The pack! come on.
and some people say connor didnt properly atone for sinking angel to bottom of the ocean but, he was 16, cut him some slack, some people say thats old enough to realize but whats that got to do with it.
I say leave atonement for the people that want to atone