Buffy and Faith

[white avenger]

Looking back at Faith's arc and Buffy's disastrously stumbling into it, do you not think that Buffy might have been a bit hasty in assuming that Faith had slipped back into her old ways? I thought (make that HOPED) that they were beginning to actually become friends again, but it just seems as though Buffy isn't willing to give Faith the same consideration that she gave Spike when it looked like he had started back killing in Season 7.

Do you think that Buffy will EVER accept the fact that Faith has, in fact, changed?

[Allycat]

I agree with you that Buffy was too hasty in her assumptions. I hated that portion of the arc. I think that seeing Faith with a rogue Slayer just brought back a lot of bad memories. But you're right, Buffy has always seemed less forgiving than she was toward Spike, Willow, and Angel or even Andrew.

[TabulaRasa]

I was so mad at my Buffy for the way she treated Faith. You would think after the growth in season seven that Faith showed, Buffy would have atleast taken a second to talk to her. But she just resorted to physical abuse, lol. I was like, DAMN IT BUFFY, just listen to her! I hope if we see Faith again...please let it be soon...that Buffy can take a moment and apologize to her. Then they can have a one nighter and be done with it...oh wait, that was already done this season. Darn!
Well, you know, kiss and make up in their own way, without fighting.

With regards to Spike. I think she always felt more sorry for Spike than she did with Faith. And her attraction to him didn't hurt the situation.

[Rowan Hawthorn]

Man, Buffy just can't do anything right. She had just been jerked out of place without warning by Roden's teleportation spell. She was disoriented and sick and immediately under attack by a strange woman with Slayer powers who attempted to kill her. She put Genevieve down and was immediately body-blocked out the freakin' window by Faith. What exactly do you expect her to think, and how much time do you think she had to actually think about anything? Even in the real world, if somebody jumps your ass without warning, you don't stand around trying to figure out what their deal is. You worry about that when they're on the ground and no longer a threat.

[Joyce Summers]

To elaborate on what Rowan Hawthorn said- something I do very much agree with, too much water has gone under the bridge for Buffy and Faith. So whenever thrown into that sort of situation, no matter how much Faith may have proven herself previously, Buffy's instinct- her knee-jerk reaction- is always going to be that Faith's got it in for her again. And you can't really blame her (Working with the Mayor, Trying to seduce Angel, kidnapping and threatening to kill Willow, trying to kill Buffy, killing numerous other innocents, holding her Mother hostage, stealing her body, sleeping with Riley, not to mention torturing Wesley...)

[white avenger]

To elaborate on what Rowan Hawthorn said- something I do very much agree with, too much water has gone under the bridge for Buffy and Faith. So whenever thrown into that sort of situation, no matter how much Faith may have proven herself previously, Buffy's instinct- her knee-jerk reaction- is always going to be that Faith's got it in for her again. And you can't really blame her (Working with the Mayor, Trying to seduce Angel, kidnapping and threatening to kill Willow, trying to kill Buffy, killing numerous other innocents, holding her Mother hostage, stealing her body, sleeping with Riley, not to mention torturing Wesley...)


Yeah, I guess you're right, but it just seems as though Buffy's attitude toward Faith is the exact same as Xander's toward Spike: if there's a doubt to give the benefit of, by all means deny it. Buffy was the only one to defend Spike when everyone else thought that he had reverted to his old ways. I wonder if Xander will do the same for Faith.

[Joyce Summers]

I think Xander would most definitely do that for Faith. I mean yes he did go through the 'She's a homicidal lunatic, off with her head!' phase in season four, but since he's seen her conversion to the good side once again I think he'd definitely defend her. I mean he was the one most sympathetic to her back in season 3's Consequences wasn't he? I mean before she decided to try and kill him.

[alexa]

I really like Faith, but I was more disappointed then angry that her and Buffy were at odds again. Seemed like they might have come to some sort of understanding but Willow teleported her back again. I wonder if the writers will ever really have them reconciled. Suppose that would be a whole other arc... need to have them teamed up as partners in a cop like buddy movie :p
It was kinda cool when Buffy showed up at Gigi's, Vaughn captured her character really well when threatened.

[white avenger]

I really like Faith, but I was more disappointed then angry that her and Buffy were at odds again. Seemed like they might have come to some sort of understanding but Willow teleported her back again. I wonder if the writers will ever really have them reconciled. Suppose that would be a whole other arc... need to have them teamed up as partners in a cop like buddy movie :p
It was kinda cool when Buffy showed up at Gigi's, Vaughn captured her character really well when threatened.



About the only way they'll ever trust each other again is to put them in a situation together where they HAVE to work together or die. I guess the "together on a desert island" thing is just out of the question, though.

[CharmedSlayer85]

Well I can say that in terms of forgiving Spike that's because things were different with Spike, she forgave Spike because all the things that Spike did to Buffy prior to getting his soul wasn't really him it was the demon in him, however after he got his human soul back it kind of negated everything he did, almost like how Buffy quickly forgave Angel after he got his soul back. Also Willow was greiving over Tara and as a result the magick completely took over her to the point where it wasn't really Willow anymore. Even when they called her Willow in Season Six, she kept saying stop calling me that, and Willow doesn't live here anymore.

However with regards to Faith that was COMPLETELY Faith, no spell, no demonic possession, no blackmail or anything like that. Faith knew exactly what she was doing when she was doing it and for the most part did it to hurt Buffy, so I can see why she is a little less willing to forgive as easily.

[NightBird]

However with regards to Faith that was COMPLETELY Faith, no spell, no demonic possession, no blackmail or anything like that. Faith knew exactly what she was doing when she was doing it and for the most part did it to hurt Buffy, so I can see why she is a little less willing to forgive as easily.

I can see your point, but i disagree.

I mean the vamps had their no soul excuse and will had the grief/evil magic excuse.

Faith has the mental issues, horrid up bringing, and then the death of her watcher which if you read 'go ask malice' is a whole lot worse than put across in the tv show, hunted by a vamp and her fear of real intamcy.

I think all this added up to her actions, its in no way an excuse for her actions but i think that it should buy Faith some understanding.

[NightBird]

Not canon, damm it.

I loved every second of the book, I hope it's made canon, I mean Robert Joseph Levy did such a good job of channeling Faith, and I haven't read it in a while as I lent it to a friend and she is yet to return it, but I was sure there where some things from the show in the book, bits of Faiths canon past (stories she told in the show, other stuff than the big K), which made me think that the book was canon.

Hopefully Joss will put something in a future Faith arc making the book canon like he did with Xander and Dracula and the man bitch year. :lmao:

[RogueHunter]

We don't know what happened directly after Chosen. I can imagine B & F having a spirited discussion over what to do next with all the slayers.
Secondly, and most importantly, the reason Buffy is so hard on Faith is, 'there but for the grace of God go I" syndrome. Not just that Buffy was heading down that path, but that she liked it too. How un-Faithlike was robbing the bank?

[crimsonsai89]

I was more than a little dissapointed towards the end of NFFY.
I mean in season seven after the whole Faith taking over and the scoobies kicking buffy out thing, Buffy and Faith seemed to really make a connection and almost borderline on friends.
But now season eight has taken a step backwards. As much as I loved the Buffy vs. Faith stories on the series it just feels a bit tired at this stage. Not to mention Faiths character itself. She's gone from being this redeemed, noble self respecting character back to morbid, lonely,misunderstood Faith.
And while I agree that Buffy's quick reaction to Faiths presence in part 3 was a little harsh I dont see how she could have given Faith time to explain what with the whole falling out a window thing.
Maybe Joss should think about doing a standalone about what happened directly after chosen and how we got to LJH.
The whole step backwards effect seems to be popular with Buffy and Dawns relationship 2.
I just hope that Buffy and Faith at least get the chance to re connect before season eight comes to a close

[Primal Slayer]

I was hoping Buffy and Faith could be friends again but as already stated, to much as gone on between the two of them for that relationship to ever be completely healed. Faith is one of the only people (besides maybe Angelus) to ever hurt Buffy the way she has which is something Buffy cant forget easily.

But I hope this isnt the last we see of Faith with the Scoobies. It would be nice to see her at the castle leading teams.