God I hate that ship!

[Cangel]

okay, so we have a thread about what everyone's favourite ship is, so I thought I'd make one about ships you absolutely cannot stand.
Yup, so vote on the poll, tell us about ships you loathe :)

[Blondie Bear]

Willow/Kennedy. Aside from my abject loathing of Kennedy, I just felt that this relationship was forced and fake.

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

ok i was about to vote willow/kennedy. but honestly, i can't stand angelus/darla. more because i never liked darla. she was whiny and annoying and...blech. i really didn't like them together. and i find her even more annoying as im watching season 2 of angel. just big flashing, neon "NO" sign.

[thegifting]

What is it with you people, calling couples "ships" and giving them one name? V. lame.

[Keanoite]

What is it with you people, calling couples "ships" and giving them one name? V. lame.

Well that was just a joyous post to behold. They are called 'ships', short for relationships. The names of these ships are shortened down into one name becuase it is faster to type. Typing the full thing gets a bit tedious.

[DarklyDreamingDrusilla]

Okay so I have a few, but the one I really loathe has to be Willow and Kennedy. I also really despise Connor and Cordy (just yucky). Those are the only ones I really hate. Ones that kind of bug me but can have their moments would have to be Gunn and Fred (even though they were kind of cute I always wanted her to be with Wesley they were just sooo cute) and Spike and Harmony were a bit annoying just because Harmony is really irritating from time to time. :smile:

[Rowan Hawthorn]

If you mean which *relationships* did we hate, we should be able to choose more than one. I can think of three or four. On the other hand, if you meant which *'shipping* did we hate (i.e., which *'shipper concept*,) then I have to pick all of them. In the time since I started following online BtVS discussions, they've gone from something with an incredible depth of analysis to something that's almost entirely dominated by 'shipper factions. Blah...


Oh, and I like Willow & Kennedy. Not as much as Willow & Tara, but still.

[palabravampiress]

Cordy and Connor. Squicked me out, man. I have no further analysis to add. I'm too busy making like a certain king we all know and pokin' out my eyes. :-)

[Keanoite]

I'm with PV...Cordy and Connor= world of NO!!! A Greek tragedy is enough did we relly need the Whedon version? I thought Sophocles got it spot on the first time. We were good.

*Kean goes to gorge her own eyes out from the sheer ick factor of Cordy/Connor thoughts*

[Joyce Summers]

I'd like to know why the concept of Giles/Joyce is up there but Buffy/Giles isn't. Personally, I think Guffy is one of the ickiest please-make-me-blind ships ever. ::shudders:: bleurgh! Failing that, on the ones that are listed definitely Cordelia/Connor. It was a Freudian nightmare gone even more horribly wrong. It was all kinds of creepy. He was just a boy- even though he was said to be eighteen he acted like a much younger boy and she had been a Mother to him and he had been just a baby and she'd been fantasizing about doing the nasty with his Dad.... Complex and gross. Excuse me while I shudder continuously for the next hour. Bleurgh!

[Lyri]

Everyone knows I'm a major Bangel hater, but even I would accept that ship before Connor/Cordelia. Connor's my favorite character, yeah, but Cordy was the closest thing he had to a mom! That was just wrong!! Even I have to do some eye gorging at that scene. Althought, it might have been worth the pain if we'd got to see a sweaty, almost nake Vincent out of it! Too bad the sheet had to be pulled up so high to hide Charisma's bump...which just makes the whole scene even more squick-worthy, knowing Charisma was pregnant enough at the time to have a bump that needed hiding!

[palabravampiress]

^ Giles and Buffy? Yeah... I don't get it. Giles was hot stuff... but a Giles/Buffy pairing would be too Connor/Cordy for me. I'm glad Joss only delved into that Freudian stuff once. Once was enough.

[Joyce Summers]

^ Giles and Buffy? Yeah... I don't get it. Giles was hot stuff... but a Giles/Buffy pairing would be too Connor/Cordy for me. I'm glad Joss only delved into that Freudian stuff once. Once was enough.

My thinking exactly. When I watched the Connor/Cordy storylines I remember actually thinking 'See this is why Giles/Buffy would be so, so wrong'. It always makes me think of a Xander line in Something Blue 'Can I be blind too?'

[Wiccaness]

I voted for Connor and Cordy

"ever think their relationship is maybe a little bit...icky?"

[Lyri]

There are a few Giles/Buffy fics on the web, so I know there are a few people who ship them, even if it makes my skin crawl. But the one ship that would literally make me violently ill would be Giles/Dawn. I mean, come on?! Who in their right mind could ever write something with that pairing?! I know there are people out there who write that pairing, but I can't honestly see what would be attractive about the two of them together. Just thinking about...*retches* yuck, no, pass the bucket!

[Joyce Summers]

Social Suicide agrees: lol, that's why there's an option called 'others'. If you take it that way there are tons of icky ships out there, so I though I'd just feature the most common one

Hehe, I know there was others and I appreciate that. My shock and horror was that there was such a great couple up there ::coughs out Giles/Joyce:: as an option for ickyness but Giles/Buffy, le horror du horrors wasn't. I was offended on behalf of one of my favorite 'ships. Haha. ;)

[kanani]

Connor and Cordy - gross and icky and so, so wrong (WRONGWRONGWRONG).

Willow and Kennedy - I never bought that Willow was actually really in to Kennedy and never saw sparks with these two, not one. I'm with Blondie Bear, forced and fake.

Fred and Gunn - they just didn't connect for me. It didn't bum me out or affect the way I enjoyed Angel, I just... didn't feel it. I also really wanted to see her with Wesley.



When I think of Giles and Buffy together the two words in my head are father/daughter - never thought of them another way.

[Spirit_Of_Fred]

okay, i am now going to act like i have a plethora of time on my hands, because this is something i just need to delve into. call it a quirk, or whatever you will, but i will now give a brief analysis (well, ill try to make it brief :p) on each of the ships on that poll. i know i just explained what i was about to do; call it another quirk.

Bangel (Buffy and Angel)= i ship basically half buffy/angel half buffy/spike. im just on the fence. i like both relationships, but in different ways, and i dont feel there needs to be 'an ultimate' love for buffy.
Briley (Buffy and Riley)= did not like them so much. however, my hatred for riley (though strong) has waned a weensy bit. especially since he marries someone who's not buffy :). plus, there are much worse pairings out there!
Spuffy (Buffy and Spike)= see buffy/angel. the only time i couldnt stand this ship was in s6. it just got terrible there and i didnt like it. it wasnt healthy, and i know that was the point, but that doesnt mean i have to be a fan of it.
Fuffy (Buffy and Faith)= i see where it comes from, and im not an avid shipper of it, but im not against it either. not major comments for this ship.
Tillow (Willow and Tara)= love love love love! :heart: one of my favourite buffyverse couples ever! tara was a wonderful character, and they had a sweet, great relationship not based on the fact that it was a lesbian one. both characters grew and changed from this relationship.
Willow and Oz= okay, i love willow/tara, but i love willow/oz too! thats allowed. they were so cute! :)
Willow and Kennedy= i did not like it. i might have grown to like it in time, but even thats not for sure. i did not like kennedy as a character, i do not think she was a good match for willow, and i think their relationship was rushed (and yes, i understand why that last one can be an invalid argument, but its me-logic :p. sorry; i see the 'mom logic' above me :))
Xander and Cordelia= i did not prefer them to xander/anya, and i did not love them, but they were good. it was funny, and a good growing point for her.
Cangel (Cordelia and Angel)= sorry, i dont support this ship. its not icky like cordy/connor *shudder*, but i prefer angel with buffy, and the relationship just didnt peak my interest. it seemed off to me somehow.
Xanya (Xander and Anya)= ah, my other favourite buffyverse relationship!!!!! funny, great matches for each other, deep love, deep tensions. t'sall good :D.
Giles and Joyce= before i knew about jenny, i shipped for them. now i like them both. they did work well together, plus the whole 'band candy' hilarity :).
Fred and Wesley= oh look! another favourite buffyverse couple! they just had this great and sweet love that was wonderful.
Cordelia and Wesley= believe it or not, i dont hate this that much. they werent a major couple, and it was just kind of a humourous, awkward thing that never even really worked. if it had gone much further than it did, i probably wouldnt have liked it. they ended up good friends, and that was certainly better!
Lilah and Wesley= well, let's see. i love lilah, i love wesley, i love the couple and all it entailed. yup, this one checks out too :).
Cordelia and Connor= thats who i voted for. ew ew ew ew ew ew ew!!!!! i think others before me have already explained it better than i could.
Angel(us) and Darla= i was going to say i felt neutral about them, but i dont think i do. i like angel with buffy, so thats immediately points against them. also, ive never enjoyed the darla plotline of angel s2 that much. but, thinking further about it, i think i like that plotline better than i used to, and it could not have happened without this couple. so, while i dont like them as a couple, i do like how their coupley ways contributed to the s2 plotline about darla. also, without darla/angel(us), wouldnt angel be a long dead irishman named liam right now? ;)
Spike and Drusilla= i really like this ship. they were good evil together, it was the first sense we had that vampires could love, it was cool how he cared so much for her, etc. and so forth. i think this opinion was assured for me the last time i saw 'lie to me', when buffy is about to kill dru, so spike tells the vamps to let everyone go. that shows how much he cares.
Spike and Harmony= for purely comic purposes, they were good. for nothing else, pretty much. but because it was comic purposes, and not creepy or anything, i have no particular hatred for them.
Faith and Xander= i have nothing against what they did in 'the zeppo'. i have nothing against them re-referencing it, or maybe faith flirting with him a little for whatever reason. as an actual couple? a world of no. i just dont see it.
Spike and Anya= i think they really do get each other, as they mention in 'entropy', and as is clear in 'where the wild things are'. however, aside from meaningless sex, id not be a fan of any actual relationsip between them. especially since i love xander/anya so much :).
Fred and Gunn= i love fred and wesley, but these two were so darn cute! plus, gunn is awesome. they're like the willow/oz to willow/tara in my eyes. not true loves, but still awesome and adorable.
Cordelia and Doyle= believe it or not, and bash if you must, this is my favourite couple for her (and really the only one for him). it may have to do with him dying so early. it was sad, and left the aura that there was this potential for them that could have worked. also, it didnt have time to go sour. i think i like her better with the xander and doyle dork-types than the heroic angel types. i think they were good together in what i saw of them, and would have made a good couple.
Dawn and Xander= i have new apprieciation for this couple. i mean, ive always liked dawn's crush on him. that was cute. but (i think its a lot of the dander-shipping BBers influence ;)), i have a new like for them possibly being a future couple, once they are bit older and etc. they care about each other, and are sweet together. and since anya's dead (:(), theres nothing upsetting me about this ship on that front.
Willow and Xander= willow's crush on him earlier was cute, and you couldnt help but feel bad that xander didnt notice or respond. i liked their little affair in s3 for what it was also, but it was good that it ended. they have the ultimate friend love for each other. they are best for each other that way. its almost (not exactly completely, but almost) like a brother and sister dating. i prefer them better as the best friends that they are.

now that i have wasted about a half hour that i dont have doing this.....em, its not good :p. and to top it all off, i will inevitably get bashed, since i either praised or criticized almost every buffyverse couple or potential buffyverse couple. feel free to ask me to elaborate about anything, since i didnt very much due to the sheer number of all those couples i just commented on! just please, hold back the shoe-assaults :p.

[Crazy Flakes]

I was torn between Willow & Kennedy and Cordelia & Connor, but I went with Willow and Kennedy, just because everyone's voting for Cordelia and Connor...does that ship even have a name, or does the sheer ickyness of it prevent people from even making a ship name for them?

[Rowan Hawthorn]

just please, hold back the shoe-assaults :p.
*picks up harness boot and lets fly.*


Well, no *shoe*-assault... :whistle:

[Senior Watcher]

i vote for connor/cordy. i hated that story line.........and whats even worse is that was the main story line for a long time.

dont get me wrong, i love cordy and i love connor, but the two of them together just wasnt working.

[NIX]

cordy n conor wrong on so many levels

[Spirit_Of_Fred]

Whats your take on Xander/Buffy?

well...you may agree with this or this may be the only other opinion we differ on, but i think its more like my feelings on xander/willow. i had nothing particular against them in season 1. it created that whole 'willow loves xander, but xander loves buffy, but buffy loves angel' quadrangle. however, i think their love is more that of friends, and i prefer them that way. i wouldnt put it past myself to change my mind about this if it were to happen in the comics or something and be done well, but i dont think id like it if they became a couple.

[Allycat]

I voted for Fred & Gunn. I really didn't like them as a couple. I still, for the life of me, can't figure out why Fred would choose Gunn over Wesley.

[caitaintdead]

i voted for bangel because, to me, i thought it seemed silly. angel was old and mature and a bit of a whinge and buffy was immature, young and fun loving. and i know you're all going to own my sorry arse contradicting me... so go ahead. still grosses me out to think of angel and buffy getting smoochy!

[Bangelxx]

I voted Briley, Kennedy/Willow and Cordy/Connor. Those are the worst 3 ships in the buffyverse in my opinion!

[UlaGan]

Willow/Kennedy. Kennedy looks pretty, but I can barely stand her, and I don't find her trully meant for Willow.

Yet, I share Palabra's oppinion - Giles and Buffy... eeeeww, icky.. Too Freudian.

[slayerpower]

Cordy/Connor
This is a universally hated ship. It's just icky!

Willow/Kennedy
I loved Tillow, so it was a real slap in the face to see Willow with somebody else so soon. And I never got the feeling that Willow loved Kennedy like she loved Tara and I don't think she ever will love Kennedy.

Cordy/Angel
They're friends for years and then, all of a sudden, they like each other? Not buying it. They had chemistry as friends, not lovers.

[Lily]

I voted Spike/Buffy (Spuffy) purely based on the hours of arguing i've had to do as a BA fan, and also attempted rape should never lead to any kind of relationship other than the defendant/prosecution type, also he's a big ol' copycat with a soul!

But a close second are the equally cringe-worthy/vomitastic ships of
- Cordy/Connor - mommy issues anyone?
- Giles/Buffy - nonono oh and um no - he slept with her mom, twice!
- Kennedy/Willow - that was about as realistic as putting two sticks next to each other and saying make a spark - it aint happening.
- Fred/Gunn - again with the no chemistry *sigh* plus I love me some Wesley and she might have kept him sane

everything else i can pretty much live with :)

[babyo0ogirl]

Buffy/Riley but a close second would be Cordelia/Conner. Just ewww.

[Hello Cutie]

I voted Cangel, because Cordy and Angel were just wrong... do I have to give a reason?? It's just gross and eww, and really betraying Buffy... I mean, come on, its Cordelia!

I also hated Cordy and Connor... it was kinda almost like incest, I mean, I know, not blood related, but one minute you're changing nappies/diapers the next you're shagging... eww.

Buffy and Faith is just wrong... i dislike reading fics that pair them together because it's never the sort of thing that would have happened while the Buffyverse was on tv, so I think that pairing just ruins the whole thing... also, I dont know why, but I find it kinda icky, what with having the same powers, and making them decended from this great heritage- a little bit incest maybe?? (I know they're not actually related, but thats just the feeling I get)

I hate Willow and Kennedy... mostly because Kennedy should just die.... she's so unbelievably irritating and the opposite in every way to Tara- it doesnt make sense to me.

Dawn and Xander- the same as Cordy and Connor, kinda weird and a little incesty-like.

Buffy and Satsu- I just dont like the whole 'is she lesbian/bisexual/experimenting' twist. I think someone said in another thread once before, that its not the sort of thing that would ever have happened in the tv programme, yet because its in comic, people are expected to accept it... I just don't.

[Cangel]

I voted Cangel, because Cordy and Angel were just wrong... do I have to give a reason?? It's just gross and eww, and really betraying Buffy... I mean, come on, its Cordelia!

Buffy and Faith is just wrong... i dislike reading fics that pair them together because it's never the sort of thing that would have happened while the Buffyverse was on tv, so I think that pairing just ruins the whole thing... also, I dont know why, but I find it kinda icky, what with having the same powers, and making them decended from this great heritage- a little bit incest maybe?? (I know they're not actually related, but thats just the feeling I get)




Lol, I knew I should've excluded my favourite ships from the poll :P

Pls give reasons for Cangel being wrong, cause I for once think they were great. And it wasn't like betraying Buffy, after all she was having relationships with Riley and Spike. Cordelia and Angel just grew together over time, that's a nice change for once, after for instance Buffy and Angel just sort of happened out of nowhere.
And Fuffy...maybe it WAS wrong but it was pretty hot and I still believe it might have happened. Okay, maybe not now anymore, but maybe in season3. They had this chemistry and heat and this could've easily turned into something else. I mean, they were young. Well the moment has probably past, especially since Willow already turned gay (that's the worst kind of fanfiction btw, the one where everyone turns gay all of a sudden). And I partly agree on the fanfiction part, but that's not necessarily the case. Of course some are so unbelievably out of character, but others are quite good.

Okay, just felt like defending my ships, hehe.

[Blondie Bear]

I dislike Cangel for the same basic reasons I dislike Kennedy/Willow. It felt forced to me. I don't know if the actors just couldn't get any chemistry going or if it really was just so out of character that it wasn't possible, but I didn't see any real sparkage in the romance department.

[GATEGOD]

Only one that comes to mind to me is Willow/Tara. The rest I thought were okay, or I didn't care about, or were cute, or I loved. :p oh but I did hate that crazy werewolf that forced herself on poor helpless Oz. :: vampire

[TabulaRasa]

*barf* Willow/Kennedy *barf*
I just don't like them together. I loved Tara so much, and I loved Willow/Tara together that it just ruined it for me having a bratty slayer (to be, and then finally one) sneak in there. Blah!

[Kemy]

Cordelia and Connor is definitely up there with the ick factor but when you say "hate" then it has to be Willow/Kennedy.

[Rowan Hawthorn]

*sigh* Am I gonna have to go re-stock the psycho-meds cabinet again already?

[Canon]

I dislike Willow/Kennedy, Connor/Cordy and Angel/Cordy. In my opinion all of them are just wrong and we should have never been subjected to seeing them happen.

I think the majority of people will understand my hatred of the first two ships, but the reason why I can't stand Cangel is due to the fact that I have always viewed their relationship as strictly platontic, and when they started to develop feelings for each other it just really really annoyed me. It was as if they were trying to quickly find a new love interest for Angel, making it feel extremely forced (like Blondie Bear said). This ship just does not sit right with me.

I am also not fond of Fred/Gunn, Wesley is the only man for Fred :D

[edb]

Got to be Connor/Cordelia, way ahead of any of the others on the hate scale for moi.

Why? "Because it's wrong!" 'lol'

Then I'd probably say Willow/Kennedy.... because Kennedy was just ...well she wasn't Tara or Oz, I don't know I think it's probably because I didn't have time to see her full 'potential' - maybe she would of grown on me if we'd have gotten another season and her character got to develop more.

Who am I kidding, she was awful for Willow!

[Rowan Hawthorn]

*sigh* Am I gonna have to go re-stock the psycho-meds cabinet again already?

Keanoite agrees: in fairness you haven't had to dish em out in ages:)
True; it's probably about time for'em to wear off. Whattaya think, triple dose this time?

[Keanoite]

True; it's probably about time for'em to wear off. Whattaya think, triple dose this time?

Triple it but be ready to maybe quadruple if needs be:D

[~angelic slayer~]

Definitely behind Blondie Bear on Cordy/Angel, to me it felt forced and just not real. Was NOT at all a fan.

Cordy/Connor: Also barftastic I thought, was a little disturbed when it happened I have to admit. Like it was pointed out, she changed his diapers....

Angel/Nina: Largely because I hated Nina's character, just somehow grated me the wrong way. Thought it was kind of random and out of place.


As you can guess, I'm also not a huge fan of Buffy/Riley, Buffy/Spike or Angel/Darla... but those I can at least realise that they surved a purpose and played a role in the development of the characters. The others though, can't say the same. :(

[palabravampiress]

Yeah - Angel/Nina was not only boring, but also seemed kind of pointless. I was especially irritated by the way Angel slept with Nina and then, the next day, bought her a plane ticket and said she had no choice but to leave. I get that he was trying to protect her, but... I just have a problem with Angel and his executive decision making when it comes to the lives of the people around him. No secret there.

[Flawless Faith]

Spuffy was the worst couple in the history of couples EVER! So as much as I hated Cordy/Connor and Willow/Kennedy..Spuffy takes the cake for my most hated 'ship.

[randiann]

Connor/Cordy=major vomit

Cordy/Angel= forced and no chemistry as lovers (thank you to whomever used that phrase before) Also did anyone else notice that Angel JUST left Buffy because he was too old for her and could not give her a normal life? Why in the world would he then go and hook up with Cordy who is the same age as Buffy? It makes zero sense. And for those who say 'well Cordy had the visions, she wouldn't have a normal life anyway, blah blah blah...' Buffy was a slayer ergo no normal life for her either so that arguement holds no water.

Those are the only two I really despise

[Cangel]

Also did anyone else notice that Angel JUST left Buffy because he was too old for her and could not give her a normal life? Why in the world would he then go and hook up with Cordy who is the same age as Buffy? It makes zero sense.


Angel left Buffy in season3, when she was 18, on the urge of her mother. When Cangel started to seriously develop, it was season 3 of Angel, 3 years later. There's a difference between a high school girl and a woman in her twenties.

[Joyce Summers]

Angel left Buffy in season3, when she was 18, on the urge of her mother. When Cangel started to seriously develop, it was season 3 of Angel, 3 years later. There's a difference between a high school girl and a woman in her twenties.

Actually it was The Mayor that first pointed out the impracticality of the Buffy/Angel relationship, so the seed of doubt was already in Angel's mind but because The Mayor was Evil, they chose to ignore him. Joyce then went and said the exact same thing but in a kinder way which Angel found he agreed with. He did love Buffy, and loved her enough to do what was best for her-leave.

For some reason I do see Cangel being more practical than Bangel, but I just don't think they had the same chemistry as Buffy and Angel. It just wasn't there; it always seemed forced. Which is a shame. And then the Connor/Cordelia thing happened and it was this brand new Fredian complex that was a mixture of everything and made any relationship between any of them creepy! Haha.

[randiann]

Angel left Buffy in season3, when she was 18, on the urge of her mother. When Cangel started to seriously develop, it was season 3 of Angel, 3 years later. There's a difference between a high school girl and a woman in her twenties.

But at the same time there is still the 200 some odd year age difference between Angel and Cordelia. That doesn't change. The fact that he can't ever give her kids or even have sex with her if he truly does love her doesn't change. I just never bought that Angel would go "oh well I can't be with Buffy cause I can't give her a normal life, but oh wait here's Cordy let's get with her now cause so much has changed in my life over the past three years." It's not believable because of who Angel is, not because of the girl he's with. If he can't be with Buffy because she's human, then why should I believe that he can be in a relationship with Cordelia when NOTHING has changed for him?

EDIT:
Just wanted to point out too that Cangel is the third most hated ship in this poll, only Willow and Kennedy and Cordy and Conner are ahead of it in how much people hate the ships

[Flawless Faith]

alexa agrees: is that just season six, or always?

Always. There's nothing I remotely like about them.

[Spirit_Of_Fred]

kind of off topic for a second, sorry, but does anyone think an april fool's joke in this thread might have pulled it off? there have already been disputes here too, right, so it might have been even more believable. just sayin'...:whistle:

[InsaneMystic]

Although I really don't like Willow/Kennedy either (come on... there just are SO MANY better alternatives for Will *gg*), I had to go for Bangel on this one. If I had to hear our favorite vampire gasp an emotional, breathless "Buffy...." just one more time, I would feel compelled to throw heavy objects at the screen. For me, this even ruins the otherwise great moment in "Becoming".

And no, I didn't vote Cordonnor. It wasn't healthy, sure... but Cordy wasn't herself at the time, and it's not nearly as Freudian for Connor as it might seem at first glance, seeing as he never grew up with Cordy as surrogate mother... if you want to take an oedipal spin on it, it's clearly closer to the original, pre-Freudian story - falling in love with the mother he doesn't know she was, and tragedy ensues.
Given his "skipped" growing up - at least in our dimension - there really can't be a psychological incest block between them.

As an aside: What is it with TV shows doing this skip? I mean, the Whedonverse has Connor... Xena did it ad nauseam, and it even happens on Trek, though a little more subtly (the infamous "off-screen-growing spurts" of Alexander Rozhenko, Naomi Wildman and Molly O'Brien - though, in the latter case they toyed with doing the "full skip" on the latter for only one ep and reversed it at the end of the show....)

[palabravampiress]

^ In soaps, we call it SORASing (Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome) and make fun of it all the time.

Generally, when a show decides to age a character, it has to do with the aim to connect to a younger audience. The higher ups feel that the established audience is moving into a higher demographic, and so they have the chance to snag new, young, and potentially long-term viewers viewers with a hot, young, new cast member and maybe a teeny-bopper centric storyline. Usually, they don't want to alienate older viewers by pulling a hot young face out of nowhere and taking airtime from old favorites, so they age a legacy character (read: the offspring of one of the main characters) to an age that is better suited for the stories they want to give him or her. Because the show is trying to connect to a younger audience, that story is usually romantic in nature, and so the legacy character is aged so that not-too-pervy romantic/sexual stories can take place. Connor fits this bill, but he fits it with an extra side of ick.

[Starlet]

I voted for Cordelia/Connor. It was so wrong! Cordy was like a mother to him, she carried him as a baby and then they...together? For me it was just ewww..
The one good thing is that Cordy wasn't herself then.

[Aethra]

There are several I debated, but I picked Fresley because I hate it and, well, no one else voted it. Others I hate are definitely Cordelia/Connor and Willow/Kennedy.

[Tranquillity]

I voted for Buffy and Reilly - i just never really liked that guy.

[Jules]

I voted Cordy and Angel. I just really liked them better in season 1 of Angel when they were friends. They had a lot better relationship then. I didn't think it was right for them to head towards a romantic connection. I think it kind of spoiled what they had.

After this ship I hated the Connor/Cordy relationship. That was just so wrong it was almost disgusting!!

[FluffyBuffy]

How could anyone hate Cordelia and Angel together?

Seriously people really need to watch Angel properly if they haven't. I couldn't believe it either but they made me fall in love with them more. Who knew! lol!

[The Kinslayer]

EDIT:
Just wanted to point out too that Cangel is the third most hated ship in this poll
Good! I´m on the right side of things. :)

How could anyone hate Cordelia and Angel together?

Seriously people really need to watch Angel properly if they haven't. I couldn't believe it either but they made me fall in love with them more. Who knew! lol!

I´m not saying they´re hating the ship but it let´s turn to the Bangelshippers as they have a tendency to look down on Cangel. Bangel is about puppylove and romance. The love at first sight-feeling. Nothing wrong with that. Most of us want that for ourselves. Do it stay like that forever? Probably not, but let the Buffyshippers stay in their little dreamworld and think that Buffy and Angel had stayed in that phase forever. I´m not saying this goes for every Buffyshipper but you know how it is.

Cangel on the other hand is based on someting else and some people just have a problem with that. They want to live in their dreamworld, and I say let them. Bangel is qute and all that, but Cangel is more of the real thing. And given the chance they had been just as qute. It´s not like they really got the chance to prove it.

Have I made myself enough enemies yet? I guess so. I´d better shut up so I won´t get in any more trouble. Remember, this is my opinion. It´s not like it´s "the absolute truth".

[palabravampiress]

^ Oh no. I agree. I have this argument with my roomie all the time. I'm a fan of relationships that are based on friendship and a long history of shared experience. I'm also not usually rooting for that whole first love thing. That could have something to do with the fact that I married someone who was previously just a friend. My roomie seems to think that there's not enough passion in a relationship that is based on friendship. No matter how many times I assure her that she's wrong -- that passion can and does exist even when it's not the basis for the relationship -- she insists otherwise. I don't think it's a coincidence that she loves Bangel and despises Spuffy and Cangel, then, whereas I have a strong dislike for Bangel, prefer Spuffy and Cangel to Bangel, and and am rooting for a Bander endgame. I think your own personal experiences and preferences have a lot to do with your opinion of the various Buffy ships.

For my part, I agree with you: I'm not sure what Bangel is based on. Cangel seems to be based on a genuine respect and rapport between two people who have grown so close that they are like family. Bangel seems to be based on wishful thinking and emotional turbulence of forbidden love. Give me the choice of two relationships and I'll choose the one with more substance over the forbidden love thing any day of the week.

[Buffanator]

Gotta be Connor/Cordy. I mean *ICK*... he was just a BABY! - LITERALLY! - just a few weeks old when she shagged him!!!! *UGH*!!!! Blech, blech, blech. :D

[DarkAvenger]

i voted Bangel because i hatehatehatehate bangel (lol) Bangel - :fighting1 this is me killing bangel lol but i hate cordelia with connor (its.. ieeck), faith and buffy (what the..?) and buffy with riley (i hate him!).. but i think my hate for Bangel is bigger so i voted bangel.

[pernilleborup]

I'm not a big Bangel fan, but I'm definately not a Briely fan. Briley gets the thumbs down. And Willow and Kennedy. Sorry, but Tara and Willow were amazing, magical. sweet, and just lovely. Nothing can replace that!

[untouched]

Cordy and Connor FOR SURE.

[Angel's Avenger]

1. Buffy/Riley. They had zero chemistry and he was far too needy!

2. Cordy/Connor. Can you say UGH??

3. Bangel. This relationship was doomed before it even began.

4. Kennedy/Willow.

[Spirit_Of_Fred]

it's interesting to see what relationships no one has voted they hate!!! couples that were a huge part of the show, like xander/anya for instance, all got voted against at least once, while tiny relationships like wes and cordy stayed voteless :).

all these have stayed at zero until at least the time of this post:
cordy/wes
willow/oz
giles/joyce
xander/cordy
lilah/wes
spike/dru
faith/xander
cordy/doyle
willow/xander

guess that makes them the best loved ships, eh? ;)

[DarkAvenger]

oh, and how could i forget?? Willow/kennedy!! kennedy is a/an... :alian: , : electric , :Sans titr , :snake: , :dancing: , :fightingm , :skeleton: , :frankie: , :frog: ..... lol

[Violette]

I voted for Angelus and Darla, because I never liked Darla and they just made a bad couple. If we could check off more than one answer I would've also chosen: Cordelia and Angel, Cordelia and Connor, Faith and Xander.

I actually didn't mind Willow and Kennedy, although I'd prefer Willow to be with Oz.

[charmingslayer]

Killow-I just don't like Kennedy that much
Dangel-Darla just annoyed me in the beginning
Corner-Yuck it was a horrible disgusting relationship
Zillow-I love this relationshipt but it was just boring sometimes
Cangel-I hate Joss for not puting these 2 together but instead killing her off
Briley-I just hated Riley he was such a stupid idiot

Thats it BTW maybe you should add Faith/Angel=Fangel.

[Darling]

Connor and Cordy is really weird... but..

Cangel ew ew ew lol

[littlewilly]

I disliked a few of the, i cant choose a worst one, they are all equally horrible, they are:

Fred + Wes
Fred + Gunn
Connor + Cordy
Cordy + Angel

Thats it, i liked all the rest though.

[GATEGOD]

Tillow (Willow and Tara) d-u-h-

Hehe

[DarkAvenger]

you hated tillow??? :( i can't believe it! i really thought it was impossible to hate tillow! but now i find out that you... :sad25: i feel sad..

[GATEGOD]

you hated tillow??? :( i can't believe it! i really thought it was impossible to hate tillow! but now i find out that you... :sad25: i feel sad..

I hated Tillow because there was nothing wrong with Oz/Willow and they were meant to be together.

littlewilly agrees: I thought you'd have been a Xander/Anya guy.

I loved Xander/Anya!! Until Xander did stupid thingies to ruin everything.

[DarkAvenger]

i liked willow/oz but tillow was just... "magical" you know what i mean? ::heart::