Any Giles+Faith shippers?

[Karl]

or is it too weird because Giles is so...old? :P

[Canon]

For me it's definitely too weird :D There's just a major 'ick' factor involved with that ship (in my opinion).

[Karl]

Lol, I figured. :D The idea came to me after I finished No Future For You (part 4). It wouldn't feel so icky in the comics, I think.

[Hello Cutie]

No, it's not ick because he's too old, it's ick because he's like everyone's surrogate father. Any ship involving anyone in Btvs (minus Joyce or Jenny) and Giles is just plain wrong because of the father-like guardian role he plays. It's called incest.

[Karl]

No, it's not ick because he's too old, it's ick because he's like everyone's surrogate father. Any ship involving anyone in Btvs (minus Joyce or Jenny) and Giles is just plain wrong because of the father-like guardian role he plays. It's called incest.

Wow! Personally, I never felt there was a father-daughter relaitonship between the two and I always laughed when Faith commented on Giles' 'youth and beauty'. :D I'm not even really supporting this ship, just throwing it out there.

[Joyce Summers]

I totally agree with Hello Cutie. He tends to play the surrogate Father role to everyone except, well, the adults. Joyce and Jenny are the only acceptable love interests for Giles in my opinion (As Olivia was just blah and weird) and any of the others....well, he's too Fatherly to them for it not to seem like incesty badness. I mean he was never an obvious Father role to Faith, but more like a reluctant one. And he definitely seems to have taken on Father-like Mentor Role in the comics...so yeah, a little too strange for me.

So, like I said- I agree with Hello Cutie :)

[Rebecca]

What about Giles and Anya? ;) Even though they had no memories I still thought they were pretty cute on that table(?) together! He never seemed "surrogate father-y" to Anya either haha.

[Karl]

Perhaps just the fact that Faith is a slayer and Giles a watcher makes it seem bad. Too bad Anya is dead. :(

[Cangel]

It just doesn't feel right period! Like others have already said, with Giles I always associate being like a father for all the little grown-ups. Even for Faith. Okay, maybe this wouldn't be just as incesty, but more like Daddy's getting it on with youngster's friends, which is equally gross.
Anya is a slightly different case. On the one hand she's over a 1000 years old and didn't have this 'early' high school connection with Giles. On the other hand, she clearly is in need of guidance from time to time and the way she always hugged Giles (like in 'Grave') was just so daughterly. If there was ever the chance for a ship like this, it would've been early s4, when they couldn't stand each other and hadn't bonded yet.

[Rebecca]

I think Faith always did have a thing for Giles anyway lol. After all, if "she'd known they came *that* young and cute, she would've requested a transfer."

[Joyce Summers]

Oh I don't doubt Faith would willingly jump in the sack with Giles. Just I don't think Giles would ever be that way about Faith and that's what makes the concept icky. To imagine the couple would force me to warp Giles....and I don't wish to! Haha

[Keanoite]

No way I can't picture it and quite frankly I really don't want to. To be honest Giles with ANYONE kinda feaks me out...for basically the reasons Buffy gave 'Cuz it's gross and you're very very old'...it just has major ick factor for me. Like the girls have said, Giles is the father of the group but no-one wants to imagine him as the daddy if ya know what I mean...*shudders*.

[palabravampiress]

Well, in an unprecedented move, I'm going to disagree with Joyce Summers. Wow, huh?

I don't see Giles as a father figure to Faith. To the other kids, yes, but not to Faith. In the comics, he proposes more of a partnership between equals. Also, they have sort of bonded through the shared experience of having once been on the wrong side of this war. Plus, everyone knows I think Giles is hella hot. lol. I see no problem with a woman like Faith, who is in her mid-twenties by now, being attracted to a man like Giles, who is what? In his 50s somewhere? Cuz, really... he is quite attractive. They have some shared experiences and a shared purpose. I think it would be pretty natural for them to at least notice each other as attractive single people.

[TabulaRasa]

'Please God no' was my first response. He's too much like a dad to everyone.

[DarklyDreamingDrusilla]

I agree with palabravampiress on this one. I mean Giles is definatly an attractive man and I don't think he is like a father to Faith at all now if it was Buffy ewwwy, but with Faith not as big of a deal. Plus, Giles needs someone I mean who was the last girl he dated Oliva in like season 4, it has been a while so I kinda feel bad for Giles he is always left out of the love relationship type stuff. I think the only weird thing would be the Scoobs reaction to the relationship, but it could be funny. :smile:

[Karl]

Ah, there my be hope for Faith and Giles after all. :D I gotta admit, I find it really funny how people say that it's wrong for Giles to be with anyone, because it freaks them out. Buffy's reaction is the same as some people have mentioned already. The man needs some love. I really dug season 4, because we got to find out more about Giles' personal life and he became a more interesting character altogether (not that he wasn't interesting before).

[FaithyFivebyFive]

Well, I saw this new partner-ship developing into a father-figure type relationship, not anything else. So I say, EW to them as a couple. :P

[Joyce Summers]

Ah, there my be hope for Faith and Giles after all. I gotta admit, I find it really funny how people say that it's wrong for Giles to be with anyone, because it freaks them out. Buffy's reaction is the same as some people have mentioned already. The man needs some love. I really dug season 4, because we got to find out more about Giles' personal life and he became a more interesting character altogether (not that he wasn't interesting before).

I have nothing wrong with Giles being with anyone. I loved him with Jenny and I adored him with Joyce. But Giles and people who were in mid-High School when he was in his mid-forties? That's creepy! Giles immediately took on a Father role to most if not all of the high school characters. At least he tried to anyway, and generally that face was accepted.
So any concept of a sexual relationship with those same high school characters makes my skin crawl with incest-like badness

[bufbuf]

I agree, even when faith said that if she knew they came that young and cute she would have requested a transfer, she was only playing around, i think mainly to get a reaction, which she got in form of a 'raise your hand if Ew' ... Giles wouldnt go for anyone in that age group anyway, its not in his nature, it'd make him seem less of giles and more like um lets say ethan...?

[Joyce Summers]

Hello Cutie agrees: Yay Karma for agreeingness! Also, Olivia was so meh... it should have been him and Joyce!

::hugs Hello Cutie for Pro-Joylesness::. Sorry, anyone who says Giles and Joyce should have been together gets a hug from me. And so far that's only been two other people so...feel special. :D Haha.
But yes, I did totally agree with your post. In a way of 'well, what do I say now?' Haha

[Blondie Bear]

I don't see Faith and Giles. I think she's too wild, and he's been there done that as far as wildness goes. He's of age to settle down, she's just figuring out who she is. I heart Giles and Joyce, though. Too bad she's dead. :(

[VisionGuy]

Giles and Faith? A world of no. Giles needs somebody that's got a good head on their shoulders. Faith has too many things going on. She's also too immature for him.

[x Queen cordy x]

giles and faith is just a little to grose for me hes old enough to be her dad....:thought:

[Karl]

I certainly managed to get a reaction with this thread lol.

[palabravampiress]

I was looking at it from's Faith's POV and from the "father figure" side before. I definitely don't think he's a father figure to her or that Faith would have a problem reacting to the hotness that is Giles.

That said, you guys do have a point about Giles: what would he get out of the relationship? His most successful Buffyverse relationship was with Jenny, so let's look to see what he got out of that. She was younger than he was, but probably not by more than a decade. Certainly there was nothing pervy about the age difference. She was also "edgier" in terms of technology and whatnot. She could accept his past because she had one of her own. When push came to shove, she learned enough to try to do the right thing. She cared about her students -- even and perhaps especially Buffy. She accepted consequences for her actions and tried to fix wrongs that she had created. Jenny was an intelligent, kind person who made some mistakes, but she knew how to deal with those mistakes and she genuinely tried to fix them. She and Rupert could bond on an emotional level. Her edginess and youthfulness challenged him to broaden his horizons and to do things he wouldn't normally do. Most important of all, I think, she made him smile.

Also, there was hope for a future with Jenny. That was what was so tragic about her death. With her background and leanings, Jenny could have been right in the thick of things with Rupert and possibly even joined him as part of the Watcher's Council. She wouldn't have been scared off like Olivia was or kept at arms' length by her relationship to one of the students, like Joyce was. With Jenny, Giles could have had a partner in every sense of the word. He could even have married her and had kids with her, if he had wanted to do so and their relationship had progressed accordingly, without having that desire have to conflict with his work or his other important relationships (like those with the Scoobies). That was what was so tragic about Jenny's death. They were just embarking on that adventure with one another when Angelus ripped Jenny away from everyone. She could have been a huge asset to the group. Above all, though, she could have been a true partner for Giles.

Some of this, I can see Faith providing. She could deal with Giles' work and life as a partner because she is in the thick of things, too. She could bond with him over having once been on the wrong side of the good vs. evil thing. She could challenge him to get out into the world more often or to try new things. Like dancing. I can totally see Faith dragging Giles out onto a dancefloor. Hilarity would ensue. Also, Faith does seem to genuinely care about her work and about righting past wrongs... especially now that Giles offered her a ticket out of the slaying life and she chose to remain in order to try to do some good. In many ways, their personalities and temperaments would be well-matched.

But there is no future with Faith. She's a slayer, not a Gypsy Witch/teacher. She has a short shelf-life and most of that has already been used up. Even given their significant age difference, the chances are pretty great that Giles will last a lot longer than she will. Furthermore, she could never be a partner to Giles without interfering with his other important relationships. The Scoobies would have a very difficult time accepting her. Faith would always be jealous of Buffy's place in Giles' heart. I think Buffy would be jealous, too. Surely Giles would not wish to expose either of them to that sort of tension or competition -- especially when he finally gets about the business of getting back on speaking terms with the Buffster. There is already enough tension there to fill the Grand Canyon. To be honest, I think the rest of the Scoobies would feel sort of betrayed if Giles were to take up with Faith. I mean, she did try to kill most of them at one point or another. They are only just starting to come to terms with her changed ways; I think it would take a long time for them to trust that Faith's intentions toward Giles were sincere. Bascially, from Giles' POV, the Faith relationship would open up a lot of different cans of worms. I'm not sure he would want to do that.

So yeah. I think it would be unrealistic of them to not at least notice each other as attractive, single people. I think Faith, especailly, would have to be crazy not to notice the appeal that's there. But I'm not sure Faith can provide for Giles not only what he deserves, but what his prior relationships seem to indicate he is pretty picky about seeking. Giles seems to be waiting for just the right person. He's slow to warm up to the idea of romance and he certainly puts it on the backburner in favor of his work. He seems to want someone who can be a best friend and a partner as well as a lover and he is very slow to take steps in that direction. Faith has always seemed to want one no-strings-attached fling after another and does not seem, ideally suited for the long-term partner role, so I don't think Giles would see her as a viable candidate.

Darn it! We need a viable candidate. Joss needs to write in another Jenny!

[RockManic]

Okay, just to play devil's advocate here, can I just suggest that not every "older guy with a younger girl" relationship is all about ick and pervertyness (made up word). I'm 32 and I've been out with girls a good decade or more younger than I am. Okay, I'm not the same age as we are talking here with Giles (Anthony is 54 this year, I believe?) so the age gap isn't nearly as much, but I just don't see age as something that should prevent to adult people from being together without society being all "ick" about it.

For me it comes down to the need for both parties involved to be happy with the situation. Icky, for me, is when someone older (male or female) tries it on with a younger person that is just not interested. Basically, as long as both are wanting it, then it's fine by me.

In the case of Giles and Faith I can totally imagine a situation where they end up sleeping together, but I seriously doubt they could work as anything more serious. Sex, possibly. Relationship? Not gonna happen.

[Bangelxx]

ew. Giles and faith? It disgusts me just thinking about it!

[RockManic]

ew. Giles and faith? It disgusts me just thinking about it!

See, that is a reaction I just don't get, in this day and age. You would get accused on homophobia if you said that about Willow and Tara back when they got together, or if Joss had decided to go with Xander falling in love with another guy. We have evolved as a society where it's a lot easier for gay and lesbian couples to be open about who they are, yet if a 54 year old guy wants to be with a girl in her 20s and she feels the same way then we have an issue with that?

Surely this is just as much a case of discrimination against a consenting couple as any same sex situation, only this time based on their ages.

[Keanoite]

See, that is a reaction I just don't get, in this day and age. You would get accused on homophobia if you said that about Willow and Tara back when they got together, or if Joss had decided to go with Xander falling in love with another guy. We have evolved as a society where it's a lot easier for gay and lesbian couples to be open about who they are, yet if a 54 year old guy wants to be with a girl in her 20s and she feels the same way then we have an issue with that?

Surely this is just as much a case of discrimination against a consenting couple as any same sex situation, only this time based on their ages.

See this I think is unfair of you. We are not reacting to ALL relationships that consist of an older man and a younger girl. We are reacting to Faith and Giles. Two characters we have followed for years, we are as much entitled to say that we hate the idea of that couple as you are to say you could see it happening. Throwing all this politically correct stuff on top of it isn't right. Your almost putting words in peoples mouths. I have NO problem with people of varying ages being together, I just don't like idea of Faith and Giles.

[Bangelxx]

yeah, what kean said. I'm not discriminating, i just don't like the idea of these two specific people together.

[RockManic]

See this I think is unfair of you. We are not reacting to ALL relationships that consist of an older man and a younger girl. We are reacting to Faith and Giles. Two characters we have followed for years, we are as much entitled to say that we hate the idea of that couple as you are to say you could see it happening. Throwing all this politically correct stuff on top of it isn't right. Your almost putting words in peoples mouths. I have NO problem with people of varying ages being together, I just don't like idea of Faith and Giles.

Fair enough, if we are simply talking the logic (or not) of how they would work as a couple. I've already said that I doubt they would be able to work for long. It's just the use of terms like "creepy", "icky" and "incest" that I'm having a problem with. That goes a little beyond discussing this on a relationship level and suggests a perversion that I think is unfair, in this case.

If we were talking Buffy and Giles then I could "almost" get where incest could come to mind because he was more of a father to her than her real dad. With Faith, there just wasn't that connection. He was her Watcher for just a few months, much of that time where she was aleady working with the Mayor, and after that she spent maybe a week or two even in his company, prior to the end of the television show. They barely had a working relationship, let alone a father/daughter one.

If that is the case and they didn't really have any kind of personal connection to speak of then the "ick" can only come from a basic idea that he is too old for her and that is why I'm suggesting that opinion might be a little unfair.

As two personalities I'm more than happy to admit that Giles and Faith would suck as a couple but that has nothing to do with how old they are.

[Keanoite]

Fair enough, if we are simply talking the logic (or not) of how they would work as a couple. I've already said that I doubt they would be able to work for long. It's just the use of terms like "creepy", "icky" and "incest" that I'm having a problem with. That goes a little beyond discussing this on a relationship level and suggests a perversion that I think is unfair, in this case.

If we were talking Buffy and Giles then I could "almost" get where incest could come to mind because he was more of a father to her than her real dad. With Faith, there just wasn't that connection. He was her Watcher for just a few months, much of that time where she was aleady working with the Mayor, and after that she spent maybe a week or two even in his company, prior to the end of the television show. They barely had a working relationship, let alone a father/daughter one.

If that is the case and they didn't really have any kind of personal connection to speak of then the "ick" can only come from a basic idea that he is too old for her and that is why I'm suggesting that opinion might be a little unfair.

As two personalities I'm more than happy to admit that Giles and Faith would suck as a couple but that has nothing to do with how old they are.


For me the 'ick' doesn't come from Giles being too old to be with her or anyone for that matter but more because I view him as THE father figure of the show. Intellectually I know he had very little interaction with Faith but similarly as someone hates the thoughts of their own father getting jiggy with anyone, the idea of Giles embracing his inner Ripper unsettles me a little. However, I did like his relationship with Jenny and was really routing for him and Joyce.

I can't speak fro anyone but myself but when I use words like (if can even call them words) 'ew', 'ick' etc it is more to do with channeling the show than anything else. I understand where you're coming from though, it could easily be taken as people describing a possible relationship between the two as a perversion. That was most definitely not my intention.

[RockManic]

For me the 'ick' doesn't come from Giles being too old to be with her or anyone for that matter but more because I view him as THE father figure of the show.

Yeah, I get where you are coming from there. I think this topic comes across a little differently for me because although I totally agree with you that Giles was written as the scoobie "dad", for the most part, my general feelings towards this subject has always left me more open minded to how his relationships could develop. Again, the only character, outside of the guys (unless Giles was keeping something VERY quite, hehe), that I though was totally out of the question for him was Buffy, because they truly had a father/daughter relationship. Possibly Willow too, although I suspect that she may have had feelings for Giles that went way beyond a father figure, at least pre-Tara, anyway.

I can't speak fro anyone but myself but when I use words like (if can even call them words) 'ew', 'ick' etc it is more to do with channeling the show than anything else. I understand where you're coming from though, it could easily be taken as people describing a possible relationship between the two as a perversion. That was most definitely not my intention.

That's fine. Again, I was really only looking to play devil's advocate and maybe get people to question exactly why a Giles/Faith combo was as ick inducing as they were suggesting, rather than start a debate about ageism or anything too PC. I truly believe that it's a shame that the true perverts and sickos of the world have made a relationship with a large age gap seem so terrible though.

[RogueHunter]

Faith will hook up with a constant and reliable guy. She will do whatever she can to drive him away, ala Taming Of The Shrew.

Its just a matter of her finding her Petruchio.

[palabravampiress]

^ Sounds like Xander.

[RogueHunter]

Actually I see Faith with more of a Riley type guy. Not in the military sense, but that kind of personality.

[TheHeartist]

See, that is a reaction I just don't get, in this day and age. You would get accused on homophobia if you said that about Willow and Tara back when they got together, or if Joss had decided to go with Xander falling in love with another guy. We have evolved as a society where it's a lot easier for gay and lesbian couples to be open about who they are, yet if a 54 year old guy wants to be with a girl in her 20s and she feels the same way then we have an issue with that?

Surely this is just as much a case of discrimination against a consenting couple as any same sex situation, only this time based on their ages.

I have to agree with RockManic here. You're all age-ist!!!

[RogueHunter]

Outside of the clearly physical adventure, whats in it for Giles?

[white avenger]

I think the entire Watcher/Slayer ethic would get in Giles' way with this. Granted, he's no longer a Watcher as in a member of the Council, but he still considers himself a Watcher as far as the role of mentor is concerned, and he would think of Faith too much in the role of a student to see her any other way. I realize that the student/teacher barriers have been breeched more than a few times in the past, but I just don't think Giles' sense of honor would allow it.

Besides, the vision of Spike in that basement with his shirt off, plus those chains, has ruined Faith for any lesser man. Her heart belongs to Spike. As for Giles, I don't think he ever really got over his breakup with Ethan.