3/24/08 - 3/31/08 Episode Discussion: Faith, Hope and Trick

[SpikedBuffy]

Episode title: Faith, Hope and Trick
Season: three

Time to discuss the next episode of season three.
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A question that I have for you all. I understand the Faith part, and the Trick part, but where the heck does hope play into this episode?

[Blondie Bear]

Scott's last name was Hope.

[Lyri]

Yep, Faith, Mr. Trick and Scott Hope.

Not a great ep for me, apart from the Faith asepct. Her entrance was pure Faith-ness. So casual and not-caring that she was butting into Buffy's life. I thought the scene where the two of them went about Kakistos was a great moment. I liked Faith's innocence when Kakistos confronted her at the motel room. For one single moment, Faith was just a scared little girl, and I loved that. It was the reason I started liking Faith, because she had this super hard exterior, but inside there was still a little girl who just wanted to make friends.

[Senior Watcher]

Yep, Faith, Mr. Trick and Scott Hope.

Not a great ep for me, apart from the Faith asepct. Her entrance was pure Faith-ness. So casual and not-caring that she was butting into Buffy's life. I thought the scene where the two of them went about Kakistos was a great moment. I liked Faith's innocence when Kakistos confronted her at the motel room. For one single moment, Faith was just a scared little girl, and I loved that. It was the reason I started liking Faith, because she had this super hard exterior, but inside there was still a little girl who just wanted to make friends.

i agree about what you said about faith. having seen all the epis (numerous times), whenever i watch FH&T i can help but think, "is that really faith?" she never really breaks down like that again...........well, not until she is on angel.

i like this episode because it not only shows how much faith longs for friends, but it also shows how much buffy longs for friends. they are just like everyone else in high school (and life for that matter). they just want to be accepted.

[Joyce Summers]

Faith's entrance was brilliant. You immediately knew that she loved the Slaying more than Buffy did. In fact her fight with that first vampire outside the Bronze was bordering on animalistic. And then later on when she's beating one into a bloody pulp? My first reaction to Faith was 'Well...erm...she's, she's got gusto hasn't she?'. But there was definitely something not quite right.

Like you guys said though- that breakdown in the motel was so unlike the Faith we knew. Except for Five by Five/Sanctuary I've never ever seen that weakness from Faith. She was just a scared 18-year-old girl. Nothing more, nothing less. And she was obviously traumatized by whatever it was that Kakistos did to her Watcher. That was one of the few times I was entirely sympathetic with Faith.

Also, like some of you have mentioned, the Giles and Buffy discussion of Kakistos was wonderful. 'He lived for kissing toast....'

And I did love how they had Faith doing so well in Buffy's life, while Buffy was just getting used to it herself once more. Like she said 'She gets along with my friends, my Watcher, my Mom...oh now look- she's getting along with my fries'. It just brilliantly contrasted against Buffy trying to find her place in everything once again.

I actually just watched this episode today (what are the odds?) and enjoyed it as much as I always do. But does anyone else ever get a little teary (or just dry emotionalness) with the Buffy and Joyce scene in the kitchen scene where Joyce blatantly confesses she doesn't want Buffy to die. I mean, we see Buffy Slaying all the time and we take it as normal, we're confident she'll be okay- it's essentially normalcy for us...but for Joyce, it's this complete and utter possibility that her only daughter who is merely seventeen years old might not come home one day. There is a chance that any day she will die. Scarily painful thing to consider. Especially when you know you can do nothing about it.

Bonus points for this episode for use of the word mosey, and giving us the 411 on the existance of leprechauns. As in they don't. Hehe

[Giants Rule 04]

But does anyone else ever get a little teary (or just dry emotionalness) with the Buffy and Joyce scene in the kitchen scene where Joyce blatantly confesses she doesn't want Buffy to die. I mean, we see Buffy Slaying all the time and we take it as normal, we're confident she'll be okay- it's essentially normalcy for us...but for Joyce, it's this complete and utter possibility that her only daughter who is merely seventeen years old might not come home one day. There is a chance that any day she will die. Scarily painful thing to consider. Especially when you know you can do nothing about it.


Well put; I think about this every time I see this episode. We got so caught up in the world of the slayer that we don't really see the other people that Buffy's actions are affecting. All that Joyce knows is that her daughter is in danger every night. While she understands why Buffy must do what she does, she would rather Buffy go to school and be home at nights like a normal high school girl.

Like many of the others, I also like seeing the softer side of Faith in this episode; once this episode ends, it is the last time we see it. All in all, it's not my favorite episode, but it definitely has it's good moments.

[SpikedBuffy]

"Kissing toast. He lived for kissing toast...or maybe it was taquitos"

Classic Buffy!

[bufbuf]

Yep, Faith, Mr. Trick and Scott Hope.

Not a great ep for me, apart from the Faith asepct. Her entrance was pure Faith-ness. So casual and not-caring that she was butting into Buffy's life. I thought the scene where the two of them went about Kakistos was a great moment. I liked Faith's innocence when Kakistos confronted her at the motel room. For one single moment, Faith was just a scared little girl, and I loved that. It was the reason I started liking Faith, because she had this super hard exterior, but inside there was still a little girl who just wanted to make friends.

Thats one of my fave Faith moments, whens shes just as innocent as anyone else coulda been, then she just goes all bad and looses it? what happened?

[Blondie Bear]

My favorite quote from this ep (which I use quite often, whenever I can fit it in):
"The girl is not playing with a full deck. She has almost no deck. She has a three."

[SpikedBuffy]

This episode is just packed with great quotes! :)

Even though Faith is not my favorite character, I did like her introduction to the show. She was extra-skanky!

[frayadjacent]

I'm re-watching the entire Buffy Series from Beginning to end and I'm currently on this episode right now. I'll be able to discuss it tomorrow after I watch it tonight (along with the next 2 or 3 eps after it.) I wonder if I should start watching Angel from the beginning when I'm done with Buffy or start it when it chronilogically split from BTVS and alternate them somehow (although the barely crossover between the two shows significantly enough for me to have to watch Angel at the same time...)

Is it sad that watching Buffy after work is the only thing I'm looking forward to for the next 3 days?

[Spirit_Of_Fred]

i was writing about 'beauty and the beasts' just now, and thought of a couple things i wanted to add, and then i was like 'wait, those are not in that episode. they're in faith, hope, and trick!'. so im just coming here to add some quick things.

first, i love that beginning with willow being scared to leave the campus. it was funny, and so very willow. like not wanting to eat a banana when its not lunchtime :D. i think i like that whole scene, with the "uncoupling", and the willow-rambling thing with the sweet willow/oz-ness following it :heart:.

i also love that whole thing in snyder's office where joyce goes "na-na-nana-na." it was like "haha, in your face!" to snyder, and it was funny :).

plus, faith's entrance is awesome in this episode! though, as people above me have said, it was weird how scared of kakistos she was in comparison with later episodes. oh, and there's that xander-obsessed-with-naked-faith thing, which was funny! :p

overall, awesome episode! :D

[Fake Shemp]

not a fan of Trick really, and it always felt to me like they got rid of him quickly as he wasnt working... just how they seemed to just randomly get rid of the annoying one in the way they did.

[scobro]

I liked Trick! think the actor did a good job, really felt the character.. especially after he started working for the mayor