Glory... Love Her Or Hate Her?

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

I've heard opinions within other posts, but really wanted to start a thread about Glory.

What did you all think of her as a big bad?

Honestly, i cannot stand her. I found her a bit ridiculous. I understand the type of personality they were going for, and maybe it was just Clare, or the writing for her particular character, i don't know what it was...but it made her come off far more annoying. I wanted to like her, i thought the bitchy goddess would be a cool big bad but she came off way immature and just silly.

I didn't find her likable or scary... I actually feared for the gang with Spike in season 2, and with Angelus, but Glory just didn't seem like the big huge threat they made her out to be. She seemed whiny and pretty disappointing.

Thing is, though, i WANT to like her. So really, any of you who do love her, i want to know why! I want to hear reasons! maybe you can sway me? lol

So yeah, yay or nay to Glory?

[Joyce Summers]

She's actually my favorite Big Bad.

She was like the Glamor Model of Hell Gods and I loved that angle they took with her. I know she seemed petty and immature but that was the whole point. Being stuck in the human dimension made her that way, made her insane and petty and childish and it was all those effects that were her downfall in the end. Not being the brightest God in the heavens and all...haha.

But I think they needed her to be like that otherwise she would have been too dark a Big Bad. I mean if you consider a Glory who is serious, sane, and deadly focussed she'd be way too frightening and the Scoobies would have had even less of a chance than they already had.


Her crazy pettiness was needed for entertainment (and it did entertain me. A lot. Haha) but also for the narrative. As without her insanity and airheadedness holding her back Buffy and the others would have been dead by episode eight.

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

good points, absolutely. i didn't think of it that way. Though i guess i found her pettiness less entertaining and more annoying, but i think a lot of that has to do with just what different things people find funny? I mean i won't lie, there were times here or there where she was charming. But for the most part... her on screen made me go "ugh".

[Joyce Summers]

For some people Glory Humor does make people go ugh and others it makes them smile broadly. Like you said, it depends on your type of humor.

Glory for me hit my smile-o-meter right on the mark. I mean she didn't make me laugh out loud the way Giles does, but she did make me smile broadly. I enjoyed watching her. (Well now, that came out a lot more lesbian than it sounded in my head)

[JCC]

Meh, I just liked her. I don't think that all of the criticisms of Clare Kramer are well-founded.

[Fireball]

I loved Glory, infact she is one of my favourite characters in the whole show. I loved the whole "fragile mind and insane" thing, she was just pure crazy. I loved her back story, being sent too earth etc. And just the fact that she was a massive threat and that Buffy had to work hard in defeting her, along with the team. Plus she was super pretty :)

[Dlou444]

I hated her. I could barely stand to see her on the screen. She was bitchy, but that wasn't it. Because I loved Cordy when she was that way.

I think it was the shallowness of the character. It distracted me from the "scary" thing and in the end I think she came across as just as scary as the Trio...pre-Warren going REALLY bad.

[DarklyDreamingDrusilla]

I liked Glory and didn't LOVE Glory, but I thought she was an interesting character. She was funny from time to time and her minions always made me laugh. I also have to agree with Fireball in the fact that I was glad that she was not easy to beat. It took a lot out of Buffy to finally get rid of her, I mean it took her life, right?! I think that she was an interesting big bad, but I perfer Dru's brand of crazy over Glory's anyday! :smile:

[caitaintdead]

I thought Glory was a fantastic big bad. She was nice to look at (and well juxtaposed ugly minions), it was interesting and different to see Buffy get her arse wooped by a pretty blonde girl with a better wardrobe then her.
I thought that Glory was physically the strongest threat to the scoobs... it was nice to see the beginning of Willows downward spiral - also I thought it was a clever homage to the episode where Giles goes after Angel after Angel has killed Jenny.
Sometimes I looked at Glory and just thought to myself "wow if she wasn't so damn strong I would want to beat her up if I met her" I thought that made her a good villain to me. Just annoying enough to me to make me wanna shut her up... and much to strong for me to be able to. Maybe this is what's confusing about Glory - rather then being Scary and Strong she's Annoying and Strong.

[Rowan Hawthorn]

I can't say I hated her, but I will say that she was like fingernails on a blackboard to me.

[Lily]

Love her! It's a love that stems from an adolescence spent saying things like "As if" and "I like totally paused"
It was fun to have a big bad that was based on the stereotype that originally we were lead to believe Buffy had been before she came into her power.

[Kana]

Nope didn't like the actress. I couldn't get past Clare Kramer's performance. If I'm watching an actor, I want to forget they are acting and get involved in the drama but I couldn't do that with Clare, so I couldn't get into Glory. That line when she says "I've been looking all over for you" sounds like she's reading from an autocue.

[Scythus]

i liked Glory (though she is my least favourite big bad) but there was something wrong with the whole season, it just seemed different to all the others and i cant decide whether thats a good thing or a bad thing, could be the reason why Glory is my least fav, does anyone know what i mean? And i agree with DarklyDreamingDrusilla, Dru's kind of insanity is way preferable to Glory's, though i could just be thinking that cause i'm biased towards Dru

[Joyce Summers]

See I don't think Dru and Glory's insanity can be compared. They're too different. Drusilla was, as Spike said 'completely out of her mind' but 'she was straight about it'. Dru knew on some level that what she was saying was crazy but she didn't mind because her crazy usually lead to something meaningful. i.e the messages she got from her visions. She was an ethereal crazy. She's kinda like the crazy eccentric old ladies you get on the little side market streets in L.A, who offer to read your palms or whatever.

Glory on the other hand was entirely nuts...and didn't know it! She was fully convinced she was the one making the most sense, because she was crazy enough to believe that. I loved her crazy- the way one moment she'd be entirely serious and deadly and the next she's cuddling up to her victim, confusing both the victim and us! And I remember really smiling in humor and disbelief in No Place Like Home where she suddenly starts rambling 'Not now, Mommy's talking!' and when she tells...Brother Luca, is it?...that she knows why he won't tell her where the key is. It's intimacy issues. Obviously. Haha.

And I get that the whole point was that she was meant to look not much older than Buffy, blonde like Buffy, cute like Buffy, spoke like L.A Buffy, and had the same great fashion sense as Buffy. But she was STRONGER than Buffy. Like the Buffster said 'I'm tired of strong, little women who aren't me'. That was what threw the entire scooby gang. She looks no different than Buffy, yet she can toss her around like ragdoll.

Kana- I never thought that line sounding like she was reading from an autocue. It just sounded like Glory was in one of her nuts 'Im evil but I'm casual and friendly about it' modes. I loved Clare's performance.

[Buffy obsessed fan]

I liked Glory, but I didn't love her. And after seeing Bring It On, I imagine her as a hell-bent cheerleader, so ya know, weird. I don't love her or hate her, she's cool, though [=

[UlaGan]

Glory as a character has never been on my favorite list, and I'm not big fan of Miss Cramer either.
I was cheering up for Willow in Tough Love when she went after Glory to kick her ass.

[Legate Damar]

Liked but didn't love Glory. I thought she was funny. And I guess I'm not seeing where the actress is getting so much dislike. She had a ultra-crazy character who rocked back and forth between petty and menacing. I thought her flightiness was well-portrayed. Or is that the problem? Did you find the portrayal lacking BECAUSE it was so irregular? I say it's not a bug, it's a feature.

As for the way Glory's written, who's to say that such an ultrapowerful being WOULDN'T be petty? Especially when faced (for the first time) with actual obsticles. Lots of monarchs and emperors were, simply because there wasn't anyone to tell them "no."

Though I do agree that I prefer Dru's crazy to Glory's crazy. Dru's crazy was endearing. Glory's crazy was what we see in more than a few dictators in the current day.

[Joyce Summers]

Exactly Legate, I agree- Clare's portrayal of Glory was perfect and I saw no flaw in her acting skills. She was meant to be playing as someone who flitted back and forth between moods and actions. She was wicked crazed.

And I nodded emphatically when I read your comparison of Glory to ruling monarchs. Monarchs have always been petty. I mean, come on, Henry the Eighth was told he wasn't allowed a divorce so he went off AND CREATED HIS OWN CHURCH. I mean that's a level of petty I hardly knew existed.

[Canon]

Glory's my favourite Big Bad, I just find her really entertaining.

[Scythus]

Exactly Legate, I agree- Clare's portrayal of Glory was perfect and I saw no flaw in her acting skills. She was meant to be playing as someone who flitted back and forth between moods and actions. She was wicked crazed.
whats up with people thinking there were acting flaws? i haven't watched the Buffy seasons for a while as i do not yet own them (a problem soon to be corrected) as i'm more of an Angel fan, but i dont remember ever seeing bad acting. i saw Glory's constant change of moods as being a part of her character, that was one of her best and most entertaining features, she was unpredictable because of it and therefore far more dangerous, i remember being a little concerned for Dawns health that time she was with Glory (just after she changed from Ben in the hospital).
i agree with your assessment of Dru and Glory's differing mental states, i just find Dru the more entertaining kind of crazy, its easy to forget how dangerous she is sometimes. lol

[NightBird]

I loved Glory, I didn't and still don't see why evil should be all dark and love the sound of it's own voice making these boringly long speeches about doom and gloom.

Hence my love of glory she was Doom and a tad of Gloom but in a bright and shiny bottle that (hides face in shame) talks alot like me, I also liked how Glory took evil in her stride, she didn't see evil as a big thing, it was just her getting what she wanted and as long as that was going smoothly she was chipper. (Oh but the Mayor id my fav Big Bad.)

[Kana]

For me, the elements of her character were not the issue. Dru was plenty insane but I always loved her performance. To me the concept of a prima donna, crazy making, red dress clad god is no more ridiculous than a cheerleading vampire slayer called Buffy, it's the execution that I didn't like.

I suppose it's personal really. I've always like Vincent Kartheiser's portrayal of Connor, although he was never my favourite character and many don't like him. That's what's great about this medium, people can be touched, moved, or disgusted in different ways. :).

[disco biscuit]

great villain, TERRIBLE actress.
she could've been awesome if it weren't for Clare.

[Kana]

great villain, TERRIBLE actress.
she could've been awesome if it weren't for Clare.

You see that's it, I agree. That's what many misunderstand. I actually like the concept of Glory, thematically, it really works, I just don't think Clare pulled it off.

[JCC]

How else could it have been acted?

I think that Clare performed the character of Glory exactly the same way that I would've interpreted the script, had I been given it.

[Kemy]

I hate her. Poor acting, lack of any real molevalence, the only thing she had going for her was her immortality/strength gift that all Big Bads have, she had no real flare or any interesting qualities.

Just one big vacuous, idiotic blonde that wouldn't die. One big bad I can easily forget and move on from.

[JCC]

I hate her. Poor acting, lack of any real molevalence, the only thing she had going for her was her immortality/strength gift that all Big Bads have, she had no real flare or any interesting qualities.

Just one big vacuous, idiotic blonde that wouldn't die. One big bad I can easily forget and move on from.

She wasn't really meant to be malevolent though, she was more the 'spoilt brat that throws her toys out of the hell pram' Big Bad than the 'incorporeal origin of evil' Big Bad.

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

But then how are we supposed to take her seriously if she isn't malevolent? All i thought was that it was ridiculous that she had any power whatsoever. And it wasn't an endearing, wow she's so not the type but its kind of cool way but more in an unbelievable way.

[Joyce Summers]

How else could it have been acted?

I think that Clare performed the character of Glory exactly the same way that I would've interpreted the script, had I been given it.

I would give you karma for that post JCC, but apparently you're the last person I karmafied.

I totally agree with everything you said. I thought she portrayed Glory perfectly.
I mean if you take the script, forget the aired episodes, and looking at it initially, the lines and the directions how else could you have portrayed it? She did it exactly as was required, exactly as Glory was meant to come across. Extremely powerful, a God, but just totally and utterly petty and a hellgod ditz.

Pretty much like A LOT of Gods in Greek Mythology. Come on, three goddesses tried to bribe a man into saying they were the prettiest of the three. Then the two who were let down cursed him, doomed him, threw lightening bolts. All because in his opinion they weren't as pretty. Gods are petty- living in their own little soap opera. And that was how Glory was written.

[Bored of the Dead]

I loved Glory.

In fact, in my epic fanfic I brought her back because she was so awesome.

I even created a bit more back story for her, I made it so that she was originally part of the Senior Partners and it is them that sent her to this dimension because she was beoming too powerful.


If you haven't read it, you should. The two worlds collide, Buffy and Angel, but the big one is Illyria/Dawn/Glory/Lilah - brilliant:)

[Vicariously]

well personaly, I loved Glory. And thats all I have to say about the issue at hand. hehehe :)

[Tranquillity]

I loved her. She's my favourite Big Bad
I love the way she talks, i love what she says. When she pays a visit to Buffy and says "ooh, i like her, she's sassy" about dawn, i know that whole speech off by heart. She get's a little bit less fun when she starts all that switching between herself and Ben in the last couple of eps.

[eunsoma]

I think Glory's great. I can't imagine her being portrayed any other way. She was the perfect contrast from the big bad of S4, Adam, and I think it was great to see chick fights going on again, lol. I thought Clare's acting was great and that she pulled off the role really well.

[Harm's Way]

Yeah next to Darla and Drusilla, Glory is my favorite evil character on Buffy.
She is so funny and I just can't explain it! I love her! hahaha.

[caitaintdead]

I agree with JCC - I'd be interested to hear how people would portray her differently to how she was.
Obviously they couldn't take the same angle as Druscilla, because, well, it had already been done.

[Hello Cutie]

Absolute love for Glory. She was definitely big and bad- she was hardcore to beat, and hey, who thought Gods would be that interested in fashion and shoes? A god after my own heart!
But seriously, she was brilliant. It was like taking the 'popular', bitchy, selfish, self-obsessed and generally irritating girls from high school, and giving her superpowers- and I don't know about anyone else but if anyone took those girls from my school, and gave them superpowers, I'd run screaming in terror. The whole idea of that made me think that it's somewhat poignant that you can't ever beat those girls until you face up to them- for example, if they made your life hell at school, it'll stay with you til you face up to it and beat it down. Just like Buffy and Glory- Buffy ran, Glory followed- Buffy finally stood up to her (with help from her friends) and she won the battle.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but on a superficial level, I loved the whole idea of Glory looking like she's stepped out of a designer catalogue, with attitude and vocals to match (nice change from the slimey, the ugly, and the melanin-deprived), and on a deeper level, the whole idea that I seem to read behind it!

[Eloise]

I loved Glory; after Spike, she was my favourite Big Bad, and high on my list of favourite characters in the show. I found her very funny, I loved how she acted, talked and the things she said. Clare was a great actress, too, and did brilliantly with the character. And, Hello Cutie, with what you said about her being like one of those 'popular' high school girls, I completely agree! You took the words out of my mouth... But said it much better than I ever would...

[Crazy Flakes]

I tend to speak negatively about Glory, but in reality, she's a pretty good concept for a Big Bad. It's just that she had so many irritating qualities. Her one-liners that were supposed to be funny weren't, and her "crazy, yet insightful" speeches (re: her speech about emotions in The Weight of the World) just came across as cheesy or strange.

Also, I agree with the people who say she was poorly acted. Clare always sounded like she was both reading it off an intercom and trying too hard.

Well, at least season 5 had lots of redeeming qualities...it's one of my favorites :D

[x Queen cordy x]

i loved glory she really sparked up season 5

(did everyone else know the slayer was a robot)

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

I found i only liked her just a little in the last...say... 2 episodes of season 5. I think she acted the whole, feeling the guilt and having a piece of humanity thing in her well enough. Not great, but well enough.

But still, i'm almost done with this season and I wish i could strangle her and say "Shutup!" i just find her irritating, not funny or engaging in anyway.

[LeadGentleman]

I can't really stand her. I'm not quite sure what it is though. I tried to like her several times, but I just couldn't get over how annoying she is.
I loved her introduction (when she smacks down that huge door and you assume it's some massive beast), but everything past that I hate (her brain-sucking ability, her sharing a body with Ben and the following cross-dressing scenes, etc).
But then again, season 5 is one of my least favourite seasons anyway. Started so great with so much potential, but then it just went donwhill.
I would have prefered them making Dracula the big bad!

[Aethra]

I thought Glory was fantastic! She was such the whiny, superficial beauty queen, and I found that refreshing. Some of the people I'm forced to be around every day... well, it makes me love Glory because we viewers aren't supposed to take her seriously. She's my favorite Big Bad, because she's so utterly ridiculous, yet she is more powerful than Buffy, and she might have come the closest of all to her Big Bad goals (memory's a little fuzzy).

[Vampmogs]

I generally liked Glory as well. I enjoyed that she provided such a physical threat to Buffy, she was un-killable and stronger than she was and it was excellent to see Buffy genuinely afraid of someone.

I also enjoyed some of her humour sometimes, I enjoyed her "tick tock Dreg tick freakin tock!" and comments such as "Oh please don't tell me I was fighting a vampire slayer, how unbelievably common!" which completely turned the entire premise of Btvs on it's head and the whole 'mythic-ness' of the slayer legacy.

The only two things I really disliked about the character was the unbelieve-ability she wouldn't have killed Buffy sooner than she attempted to, and her minions who I found dull, really cheesy and appalling actors.

Glory had all this strength and Buffy constantly got in her way. It didn't make sense for Glory not to kill all of them like she attempted to do in 'Spiral' after Buffy had rescued Willow. Joss tried to clear this up a bit in 'The Gift' when Glory says "that nagging little pinch of humanity that makes me go for the hurt instead of the kill. Lowering myself to trade blows with the slayer when I should have just put my first through her heart, gotta be Ben." I'd have liked that explanation if Glory had been more cruel towards Buffy, but never did she really attempt to "hurt" Buffy instead of killing her.

But at the end of the day she was a pretty great villain, I certainly enjoyed her. Not up there with the likes of Angelus but miles ahead of The First and Adam.

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

I also enjoyed some of her humour sometimes, I enjoyed her "tick tock Dreg tick freakin tock!" and comments such as "Oh please don't tell me I was fighting a vampire slayer, how unbelievably common!" which completely turned the entire premise of Btvs on it's head and the whole 'mythic-ness' of the slayer legacy.



Yeaaah... it was lines like this, or maybe just the delivery of them, that drove me up the wall. I thought she sounded so ridiculously lame.

[Vampmogs]

Yeaaah... it was lines like this, or maybe just the delivery of them, that drove me up the wall. I thought she sounded so ridiculously lame.

Really? I loved them lol I liked that she viewed Buffy as so useless and common. To quote an awesome Star Wars quote, "Twice the pride, Twice the fall"

The more Glory thought Buffy was useless, the better it was going to be when Buffy beat her, evident by Buffy showing her no mercy with the "you're a god, make it stop" and the insane beating with the troll hammer.

[Joyce Summers]

Vampmogs- I loved those lines too. And I thought Clare's delivery of them was perfect. She always portrayed her with that edge of insanity, Giles constantly said Glory inevitably had from being stuck in a mortal world in a mortal body.
She is acting in this way- saying something is common, or saying something is rude when someone interupts her- because from what she's seen over the years, she knows this is how people speak and behave. However, because she's crazy and evil she warps it and gets it wrong. As for example, whilst saying interrupting is rude...she breaks the guards neck. And her delivery of '...that is so unbelievably common. If I had friends and they found out about this...' is so strongly said because she believes it, but disjointed in deliverance because she herself is disjointed in her thought process. She knows it's a human phrase but isn't entirely sure of it's context. She just has a bare grasp on it.

It's like in Shadow when she goes into the Magic Box and actually buys the items rather than taking them and killing everyone. She buys them because that's what humans do. On some level, maybe not even on a conscious level she's aware of, she's purposefully trying to act human in a human world. And obviously failing.

[InsaneMystic]

I'm rewatching S5 since this weekend (for the first time since ages, I can't believe how much I didn't remember correctly anymore o.O) and, well, I clicked indifferent. She makes a good big bad, but not a great one... though I think the split thing (Glory/Ben) is a cool idea.

[littlewilly]

i dont love or hate her either, she was ok i suppose, nothin special, the story she was involved in though was excellent.

[alexa]

I wouldn't change her for another villain but I really can't stand her character. Not sure if you're really meant to love her though. Spike was so accurate in his description of her in Intervention.

[SintiKid]

She's one of my favorite Big Bads too, and Clare did a great job portraying her. She made me laugh a lot, especially the line "I kinda want to hear ME talking right now!"

[Buffanator]

I actually loved Glory. AND her minions! they provided so much comic relief...

But I never looked at Glory as "insane" or crazy or whatever. To me, she was what she was - A GOD - stuck in "this dimension" where her powers were very limited. She couldn't do the things she was used to doing. Yet she was still stronger than the Slayer, and truly, no one could take her.

I liked how the writers made her into an "mirror image" of Buffy. Not many people see that, but if you think about it, you'll see... she was small, petite, strong, quippy, blonde, etc. It was her "holier-than-thou" attitude that set her apart, that made her such an enemy. The way that Blory began fighting against her/his own humanity when the human part started to win-out. It was written so well... a good/evil entity sharing the same body. Genius. Pure genius.

[LorneyTunes]

I loved her she was great, just the way she looks down to Buffy !
Buffy isn't used to that which is good cause its character building !
Also shes insanely funny x

"Blonde. Short. Strong for a human... and massively rude! Broke my shoe, took my monk. Do you have any idea who I'm talking about?"

[vampireczarina]

I hated Glory. I though she was just some twit of a hell god. She is so annoying and whiny.

[The Kinslayer]

I don´t love her and I don´t hate her. But I don´t think it´s fair to say that I´m indifferent. I like her more than I dislike her. She´s really annoyng at times but she´s more often funny. So on the plusside it ends. But love? No.

[spark]

i think i'm indifferent to be honest. i loved her one-liners but the glory/ben thing was a bit far fetched for me plus there was just something about her that irritated me.

[Buffanator]

i think i'm indifferent to be honest. i loved her one-liners but the glory/ben thing was a bit far fetched for me plus there was just something about her that irritated me.

LOL! far-fetched? The entire premise of the entire series was far-fetched! I actually liked how the writers kept coming up with new ideas for a villian. Each one was different & amazing in its own way.

[VisionGuy]

Glory? She reminds me of Cordelia actually. And I'm pretty sure she dyes her hair.

[JuniorWatcher]

Have to say Glory was one of my fav big bads, she provided much amusment and has some fantastic one liners, granted she did have her moments when she was annoying but overall loved her.

[Gilesau]

She's my 2nd favourite Big Bad after the Mayor. She was so bitchy and funny at the same time. I don't think season 5 would have been as good without her, I don't know. But I loved Glory.

[Fake Shemp]

LOVE GLORY (my sister spotted her in bring it on and said she looks skanky, my sister aint seen Glory yet... oh yes her mind will be changed)

[Nikkolas]

Love mah Glory. She was funny, attractive and represented the biggest threat to Buffy ever.
A villain shouldn't take himself too seriously in my book and Glory definitely didn't do that. =P She had all the menace of The Master but added a real personality edge to it like you know she'd kill you but she'd be babbling about your shoes while doing it.

I also found her rather well-acted and well, attractive. I don't see how anyone can say she wasn't.

[Gilesau]

Love mah Glory. She was funny, attractive and represented the biggest threat to Buffy ever.
A villain shouldn't take himself too seriously in my book and Glory definitely didn't do that. =P She had all the menace of The Master but added a real personality edge to it like you know she'd kill you but she'd be babbling about your shoes while doing it.

I also found her rather well-acted and well, attractive. I don't see how anyone can say she wasn't.

Another reason why I loved Glory-it's like you said. She doesn't take herself so seriously. She was fun.

[Fake Shemp]

sassy.... gotta love how sassy she was...

[hyperballadbrad]

I bet she smells really good! haha

[Fake Shemp]

oh i bet the groovetastic one did at that!

[Aleris]

She could have been a much better character, but honestly, her acting was shockingly horrible.

Had the acting been better, I think I may have liked the story arc much better, but as it was she made this the worse season in Buffy for me. =(

[fly on the wall]

I love Glory. She reminded me of how I'd be if I were totally evil, heh. :)

I also loved how she wasn't a huge monster like Buffy was used to fighting. She was Buffy-sized, a thin female, yet she could beat Buffy up without thinking twice about it. I think it humbled her and, as you said, Glory was her biggest threat yet. (She had to die in order to fix what Glory made wrong, after all.)

[insanezenmiss]

Glorificus. Hum. Most of you have said everything there is to be said. I actaully enjoyed the warped sence of entitlement about glory. The self absorbtion. I dont know about love or hate or like or could care less. But i donot think she ranked with the other big bads. I mean she cirtanly was not as bad as the first. I think she was spoiled child. And i think it was her psychological weakness that made her harder for the scoobies to figure out. And part of the reason that buffy *cracked* when glory got dawn. It is like.... it is like.... being outsmarted by a snotty psychotic 13 year old. Glory had a child's demanding, and the strenght to give a deadly temper tantrum but no sanity for planning.

Liked her quips and psychotic ranting. I wonder if her minions would not have fed her, would she have died of starvation?
I also wonder why she slowed down on eating human minds, after the queller demon. Was Ben preventing her.....or did she see the wisdom in laying low. Think of it...........if she slowed down on feeding in oder to keep her profile low......what weakness might she have been hiding?

anyway..... i liked the mayer and the first way better.

[Lily]

I also wonder why she slowed down on eating human minds, after the queller demon. Was Ben preventing her.....or did she see the wisdom in laying low. Think of it...........if she slowed down on feeding in oder to keep her profile low......what weakness might she have been hiding?
I like that idea, I wonder if that contributed to the fact that she didn't Glory-out before Giles killed Ben?

[fly on the wall]

^ Well, plus, she'd just had her face repeatedly bashed in by a hammer.
And maybe Glory thought her window had passed, that it was too late to use Dawn to get back home. Maybe Glory didn't want to live if she had to remain trapped here on Earth. Maybe she just sort of gave up and let Ben be killed, because she thought she no longer had anything to live for.

[Primal Slayer]

How can anyone not love Glory? She is part of what made me love S5 so much.

[Airam]

Love her! She is my favorite big bad. And I really have to join those sticking up for Clare's acting because she was brilliant. Her one liners were awesome and in the hands of somebody they could have really been butchered, the whole character could have been butchered. I find no faults in her performance... maybe it takes a certain sense of humor to get it, maybe a dark sense of humor to appreciate how well she portrays insanity, but I always really admired her performance. And I've seen enough of Clare's other work to be able to vouche for her not being a one-dimensional actress, she's been completely different in other roles and IMO put out great performances.

I think one of the greatest things about the Glory character is how she was seemingly Buffy's equal, yes totally insane, but the most "like" Buffy than any of her previous adversaries... or so we think. I think thats why the big moment at the end of Checkpoint where she ask Travers what kind of demon is she and he replies "That's just it, she's not a demon at all. She's a God," is so powerful. In the end we find out that this seemingly petty and crazy young "girl" is in actuality much older and much more powerful than anything Buffy had ever been up against. Very cool I thought.

[hazzard]

i thought she was a great villain. she had some great speeches and really profound insight and observations. she was a change from the usual evil.

[untouched]

Completly in love with her !... and her millions of pretty clothes and shoes :D
I really like Glorificus and even all her minions. For me that's the highlight of season 5. Whenever she appeared it was like my screen was glowing lol

[WhiteHat]

I would choose "I was at first puzzled by the storyline of Glory/Ben and Dawn is the Key" but then "I warmed to Glory/Ben and Dawn is the Key." :D

Overall, I think it was the acting by Clare that was off-putting. She didn't "suck me in" with her readings. I was always aware of an actress playing the character Glory more than just Glory. Meh, I don't know. :?

[Darling]

Don´t LOVE her... Just like it! It was just a insane woman, strong, with some good quotes, I guess...

The only moment I can say I really thing she was great, was the dialogues with Dawn. They were great.

[BASBritt]

I LOVED Glory. She was the uber bitch, but so funny about it! I loved that she was just like an overgrown, spoiled teenager. :)

[itsxpaperdoll]

I liked her because she was different from all the other Big Baddies. I liked her because she wasn't that obvious in being evil. She's like threatening in a non-threatening way. And funny. And I liked it how Buffy really had trouble hurting her. I mean Spike as the Big Bad was of course, awesome. But because she kept kicking his ass (just as with Warren and co in s6) he just wasn't that bad you know? That's also why I liked Adam and The First, because they were really difficult to defeat. And that's very important for a Big Bad Person. Imo, that is.