Cangel

[celestialarrow]

Alright it's time we all got to the bottom of why some people dislike this relationship. I mean yesterday on the forum someone said they didn't believe it because they didn't believe that in real life Angel and Cordy would even be friends. And I have this to say about that if you take their friendship from a real-life perspective they could indeed be friends. Imagine a group of people(scooby gang including when cordy and angel was still there) who face hardships all the time and struggle just to get by who depend on each other. Then imagine two of those people who new each other fairly well move away in an unknown town to them. One of them is heartbroken over the lost of a true love and another who is vunerable and desperate for attention. Then they finally meet back up with each other and find a purpose in life and learn to confide in each other. Of course they would be friend though their personalities are different because opposites attract. So when their relationship gradually started in season 3 I enjoyed it because it seemed inevitable and realistic. It wasn't like there wasn't signs in the other season's. And in the third season angel endured alot as did crodelia so i think them being drawn to one another. Some say it was rushed ,but HOW it took 3 season's for them to finally admit their feeling and then they didn't even get a chance.

[white avenger]

If it helps, I don't even think Buffy Season 1 Cordelia and Angel Season 4 Cordy would have been friends. The selfish self centered girl grew up into a responsible, brave woman who could hold her own in either a discussion of the ethics of letting harmless demons live unmolested AND kick a harmful demon's Ass it the need arose. That's the woman Angel loved. The girl didn't compare to the woman.

[groovygarden]

Oh, good question.

Joss Whedon: "The Angel/Cordelia [love story] had gone pretty much as far as we wanted to take it. Their romance was definitely not a popular move on our part"

I've been a bit surprised to find out Cangel was so unpopular. I wasn't really doing the whole forum/boards thing when Angel first aired, so I obviously missed the fan uprising. Did people dislike Cangel because it was Angel & Cordy, or because it was Angel and a-girl-who-wasn't-Buffy?

It's been a while since I watched Angel (the DVD's are atch in the post as I type), but for me Cangel was the main reason I watched the show. It was one of the more believable relationships in the Buffyverse. It developed slowly and naturally over three series, and even then they never quite got there.

They were both going through changes, facing dangerous situations and making hard choices and sacrifices. And through all that they supported each other, kept each other safe and watched out for each other. It seems natural to me that something more could develop from that.

I think Angel's tendency was to close himself off from people, but that made him a less effective champion. Cordy was Angel's link. Whether she was teasing his broodiness ("Hey, look at me, I'm Angel, I have to count my past sins, then alphabetize them.") or encouraging him to face something hugely significant, like his feelings about Buffy's death, Cordy didn't let Angel close himself off - she kept him on track.

[VisionGuy]

Oh, good question.



I've been a bit surprised to find out Cangel was so unpopular. I wasn't really doing the whole forum/boards thing when Angel first aired, so I obviously missed the fan uprising. Did people dislike Cangel because it was Angel & Cordy, or because it was Angel and a-girl-who-wasn't-Buffy?

It's been a while since I watched Angel (the DVD's are atch in the post as I type), but for me Cangel was the main reason I watched the show. It was one of the more believable relationships in the Buffyverse. It developed slowly and naturally over three series, and even then they never quite got there.

They were both going through changes, facing dangerous situations and making hard choices and sacrifices. And through all that they supported each other, kept each other safe and watched out for each other. It seems natural to me that something more could develop from that.

I think Angel's tendency was to close himself off from people, but that made him a less effective champion. Cordy was Angel's link. Whether she was teasing his broodiness ("Hey, look at me, I'm Angel, I have to count my past sins, then alphabetize them.") or encouraging him to face something hugely significant, like his feelings about Buffy's death, Cordy didn't let Angel close himself off - she kept him on track.

And that's exactly why I like Cangel.

[randiann]

I never bought Cangel. To me it doesn't make sense. AT ALL. In Buffy Season 3, Angel leaves Buffy because she is human and he can't give her a normal life. Then three years later, he wants to be with Cordy? He can't give her a normal life either. It makes zero sense. To me, Cangel felt forced and unnatural. The two aren't ever going to be able to settle down and raise a family and whatnot. That's why Angel left Buffy. Why then would he go and date a woman the same age as Buffy if nothing has changed for him? He still can't give her any of those things. Plus, if I had it my way Angel would have ended IWRY style without the sad ending.

Bangel forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bangelxx]

I second radiann!

I much prefer bangel over cangel although I don't DISLIKE cangel. I actually think its kind of sweet.:) its just that bangel is sooooo much better :p

[Cangel]

People, really, what's there not to like about Cangel? This is my favourite ship (which many of you are probably aware of, lol) in...ever! From every show I've ever watched (well, except maybe Star Trek Voyager...I was sooooo Tom/B'Elanna obsessed a few years back...I don't really want to compare these couples).
Cangel developed so naturally, 2 characters grew (lol, I was tempted to write Groo) together over the years. You could so feel for them, and see how they cared for each other. Angel would've went through hell for Cordy. Like in 'That Vision Thing' where he does everything to save Cordy.
And now seriously, how can anyone not like this ship?

[Xin Rong]

Yeah angel and cordy went through a lot together, that kind of things brings you close, at least as friends and as the saying goes love can blossom from the seeds of friendship lol

Also cordy did kind of have a thing for angel in buffy, even if it did stem from jealousy and how could angel not love someone as gorgeous as cordy lol

[Tranquillity]

I love Cangel. I found it totally believable and realistic. They had such a great friendship that started to grow into something more. I loved that scene in You're Welcome when they kiss and Angel looks so happy. I want Cordy back!!!!!!!

[randiann]

Cangel just makes no sense! It's awful and icky. Angel should have never been with Cordy in any way. If he can't be with Buffy because she's human, then there is no logic with him being with Cordy (who is also human). If anyone can find a logical arguement to that, then you've got me beat but until then I will hate Cangel forever.

[celestialarrow]

Cangel just makes no sense! It's awful and icky. Angel should have never been with Cordy in any way. If he can't be with Buffy because she's human, then there is no logic with him being with Cordy (who is also human). If anyone can find a logical arguement to that, then you've got me beat but until then I will hate Cangel forever.


Well here's a couple of logical arguments. One cordy wasn't human anymore after Birthday so that's one up on the Bangel relationship. Another when angel met buffy and they fell in love I believe it was more of puppy love. He came to sunnydale pretty much alone so their relationship must have ment everything to him and come on she was only 16 so of course she thought the world of him but in Sunnydale buffy had the weight of the world on her though he did help he didn't have the responsibility she felt because he helped people at that time because he loved her. But when he went to Los Angeles he had to have that same responsibility as buffy that being said he had to depend on others just as buffy does(Xander, Willow) and cordy was there always by his side as she mentioned she would be in Judgement. Angel needed cordy as she needed him in the ways buffy needed the scooby gang. And look at just the emotional heartaches they suffered in season one(Hero, To Shanshu in LA) of course they depended and needed each other. Also a baby being introduced in season 3 how would that not bring two friends even closer that's something buffy and angel never experienced together and probably never would have in sunnydale. Also them just maturing and growing as people together it was bound something would come out of it, it just so happened to be love. Angel had changed and he truly thought he could make cordy happy so why not be together I mean it wasn't like buffy was waiting around for him.

[LadyLavinia]

I liked the Angel/Cordelia relationship because it seemed more adult than Bangel. Sorry, but I could never get into the latter. It seemed too much like teenage angst, in compare to Angel's relationship with Cordelia. My only problem with "Cangel" is that Mutant Enemy tried to force the issue of them becoming a pair with Fred's ridiculous pronouncement about them being destined for love. I really wish that Ms. Burkle had kept her mouth shut and allowed Angel and Cordelia to develop into a pair, naturally.

[celestialarrow]

I liked the Angel/Cordelia relationship because it seemed more adult than Bangel. Sorry, but I could never get into the latter. It seemed too much like teenage angst, in compare to Angel's relationship with Cordelia. My only problem with "Cangel" is that Mutant Enemy tried to force the issue of them becoming a pair with Fred's ridiculous pronouncement about them being destined for love. I really wish that Ms. Burkle had kept her mouth shut and allowed Angel and Cordelia to develop into a pair, naturally.



You know me and you both because a lot of people I've chatted with on the matter felt that's why it seemed forced to them. But I got this take on the situation Cordy and Angel though champions their pretty slow when it came to their feelings for each other in a romatic sense. I guess everyone around them already noticed it so Fred just pointed out to Angel because personally I think he would have never figured it out he already thought she was too good for him(Waiting in the Wings) also not knowing if she felt the same way it probably really baffled him. And cordy probably already felt it but with groo there it kinda made her put her feelings for Angel on the backburner until it became too obvious to everyone what was going on between them. And she decide to admit those feelings.

[Crazy Flakes]

Okay, let me get this out of the way first: I like Bangel. They were a great couple, and Angel was my favorite one of Buffy's boyfriends. But I definitely like Cangel much more.

Sure, Buffy and Angel were great, but in reality, it was just puppy love. As I've said before in other threads, it annoyed me that they were never even friends. They met, had a couple of brief meetings, and the next thing you know, they're "true lovers." Also, after watching Angel, I've realized that he really wasn't himself when he was around Buffy. It may be because his character developed a lot more on his own show, but still, he was just boring when he was with Buffy.

On the other hand, Angel was always himself when he was with Cordelia. He trusted her before he fell in love with her. Plus, they had a lot more in common...they were both champions of the Powers That Be. It was, as Lorne said, "Kyrumption." Plus, it wasn't like the forbidden romance that Buffy and Angel had, which, as romantic as it is, has been done to death. Angel and Cordelia trusted and loved each other, and that was something that Buffy and Angel didn't have. Like I've said before, Angel and Cordy were much more mature, much less cliched, and just more fit for each other than Buffy and Angel.

[eunsoma]

Bangel was so dramatic cuz Buffy and Angel were both whiners!! lol, at least Cangel was less sooky..

[Crazy Flakes]

I never bought Cangel. To me it doesn't make sense. AT ALL. In Buffy Season 3, Angel leaves Buffy because she is human and he can't give her a normal life. Then three years later, he wants to be with Cordy? He can't give her a normal life either.

Here's my take on this...

Angel didn't want to be responsible for shaping Buffy's life. At the time they were together, Buffy wasn't an adult. He wanted her to go through high school the way she wanted to, then grow up into her own person. Cordelia, on the other hand, already had her life shaped by her experiences with Angel. Buffy planned on going to college and living a normal life, something Angel couldn't give her. Cordelia gave up on having a normal life long before she and Angel fell in love. She was already an adult, and she decided she wanted to spend the rest of her life as a champion for the Powers That Be, like Angel. And don't forget the fact that, after Birthday, she wasn't a human anymore.

[scarybunny97]

I never bought Cangel. To me it doesn't make sense. AT ALL. In Buffy Season 3, Angel leaves Buffy because she is human and he can't give her a normal life. Then three years later, he wants to be with Cordy? He can't give her a normal life either. It makes zero sense. To me, Cangel felt forced and unnatural. The two aren't ever going to be able to settle down and raise a family and whatnot. That's why Angel left Buffy. Why then would he go and date a woman the same age as Buffy if nothing has changed for him? He still can't give her any of those things. Plus, if I had it my way Angel would have ended IWRY style without the sad ending.

Bangel forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know I'm an eensy bit late to this one, but there's one other major difference in Angel's life when he "falls for" Cordy. The Shanshu prophecy. Granted, later on Angel totally loses faith in it, but through late S2 and most of S3, Angel actually has some hope that he may get to be a "real boy" someday. It could be a century or five down the line--or it could be in ten years. Point being, he and Cordy had more hope offered to them then he and Buffy had together.

My personal opinion on Bangle is that it was Pure, Perfect First Love. It's a beautiful love, but not one that can translate to into the messy world of adulthood. I never doubted that Buffy and Angel loved each other--but I rarely saw them functioning as partners successfully once Buffy started to become less of a doe-eyed girl and more of a woman. I think Bangle vs Cangle is a lot like Bangle vs Spuffy. There is no real debate there because it all love, just different loves when the characters involved where at completely different points in their lives. For instance, a part of me will always love MY first love, what I had with him was real and pure--but if I had stayed with him then I'd be sharing my life with a meth addict right now. Almost no one is the same person as an adult as they are in High School. Which is why Bangle plays for me as the perfect High School relationship, and Cangle plays for me as something that could have been a real adult partnership and love story.

Yes, I am the most long-winded person in history.

[randiann]

She was already an adult, and she decided she wanted to spend the rest of her life as a champion for the Powers That Be, like Angel. And don't forget the fact that, after Birthday, she wasn't a human anymore.

Buffy was also a champion, and also not exactly a normal human, as the slayers have the essence of a demon in them as is told in season 7. Cordy was still a human for all intensive purposes, it's not like she ceased being human because she was now part demon. Yes Cordy at age 21-22 (or so) is a bit more mature than a 16 year old Buffy. But the main problem hasn't changed for Angel. I will just never buy that Angel could totally overlook that when he left the woman he loved because he couldn't give her a normal life. Argue all you want about Cordy being a champion; it's not like Buffy was a normal girl either to begin with. Think of why they couldn't be together in IWRY- even human Angel realizes that it is impossible for him to be with Buffy because her life is too dangerous and he makes her put others at risk in order to protect him. Cordy having visions and fighting evil can't be used as a pro-Cangel arguement for this reason IMO.

Also thanks to whomever mentioned Fred always saying they were destined kyrumption blah blah. Yet another reason why Cangel felt so forced

[celestialarrow]

Buffy was also a champion, and also not exactly a normal human, as the slayers have the essence of a demon in them as is told in season 7. Cordy was still a human for all intensive purposes, it's not like she ceased being human because she was now part demon. Yes Cordy at age 21-22 (or so) is a bit more mature than a 16 year old Buffy. But the main problem hasn't changed for Angel. I will just never buy that Angel could totally overlook that when he left the woman he loved because he couldn't give her a normal life. Argue all you want about Cordy being a champion; it's not like Buffy was a normal girl either to begin with. Think of why they couldn't be together in IWRY- even human Angel realizes that it is impossible for him to be with Buffy because her life is too dangerous and he makes her put others at risk in order to protect him. Cordy having visions and fighting evil can't be used as a pro-Cangel arguement for this reason IMO.

Also thanks to whomever mentioned Fred always saying they were destined kyrumption blah blah. Yet another reason why Cangel felt so forced





Well its like this Angel did I guess he got over it otherwise he would have stayed on buffy never moved to LA and we would have never have gotten the more mature and self-assured angel on his own series also all the great characters from that series. And if you what to talk about relationships being forced angel in flashbacks on his series wasn't exactly portraited like a love-ridden high schooler who just happened to fall in love with a slayer. After meeting a couple of times. I guess it's you like it(Cangel) or you dont Angel got to shine and grow up on his series of course his priorities about relationships would change I mean buffy wasn't exactly the same girl she was when he left case and point the Spuffy relationship.

[randiann]

And I am in no way a Spuffy fan either. I love Angel. I think it is a great show with great characters, don't get me wrong. And I don't think that Buffy and Angel could ever ultimately be together, I think that was illustrated more than once. But I just don't buy Cangel. I much rather Angel and Cordy be close friends than having to pair up. And you don't just "get over" true love. It was with him through Season 5 of Angel (think of the Spike/Angel banter on this subject). I just never saw Angel and Cordy as more than friends, and having Fred and Lorne say 'oh it's true love' every five minutes didn't help things.

So my conclusions: Ultimately Angel can be with neither Buffy nor Cordelia (especially cause she died)
Bangel=True Love
Cangel=True Friendship, which does not need to equate to anything that is not plutonic

[angelchick182]

I don't have a definitive answer on this one, so I'll just talk it through. Back in the day - I was hardcore Bangel, even though I knew it was doomed. I agree with an earlier comment that the same reasons Bangel didn't work are pretty much the same reasons Cangel wouldn't either. Buffy and Cordelia can both be called Champions and both can be considered something other than totally human, but the long term goes deeper than that. Neither couple could have a normal life - a family, day-time outings, a consumate relationship, or growing old *together*(and this is based on the events of the show only - I know that something has happened in the Angel comics, though I'm not sure what - please don't tell me, I haven't read them yet). So, as someone said earlier, I don't understand what Angel thought had changed so much between when he left Buffy and when he wanted to hook up with Cordy. I understand where all the Cangels are coming from about how, after all the time spent, confidence shared, and experiences together, Cangel was a natural progression - but I still wasn't a huge fan of it. Besides that, all through late-Season 3, my heart absolutely broke for Groo, and aside from the fact that I enjoyed every minute of his character that year, I don't know why he even stayed around as long as he did. I never thought Cordelia handled that right, because even though she didn't seem to be aware that she loved Angel, she had to realize that she wasn't there for Groo.

[groovygarden]

the same reasons Bangel didn't work are pretty much the same reasons Cangel wouldn't either. Buffy and Cordelia can both be called Champions and both can be considered something other than totally human, but the long term goes deeper than that. Neither couple could have a normal life - a family, day-time outings, a consumate relationship, or growing old *together* So, as someone said earlier, I don't understand what Angel thought had changed so much between when he left Buffy and when he wanted to hook up with Cordy.


I think the difference between Buffy & Cordy was choice. Buffy was chosen to be a champion, Cordy got to make the choice. And it was a choice she made time and time again. Skip offered her a perfect life, and she still found her way back to Angel. She chose to be made part-demon to keep the visions. She chose to be a higher being.


It came across through all the series of Buffy that, although she would do her best, and save the world (a lot), Buffy, understandably, didn't "want to be the one". She wanted to be "a normal girl, falling asleep in the arms of her normal boyfriend". I don't think Cordy wanted that.

[MSchett]

Bangel>Cangel

It just seems like Angel and Cordy shouldnt be a couple. Angel and Doyle were "best friends" and after Doyles little fling with Cordy and then sacraficing himself to save her/angel/those wierd demons it just seems wrong that he would do go for Cordy even after a few years.

Also I think that Angel and Faith would've made a great couple after he saves her soul in S1. After shes changes they really are alot alike. Go Fangel?

[Primal Slayer]

I look at Cordy/Angel the same way I look at Buffy/Xander. At the very beginning the possibility for a relationship couldve been there, but as the show went on, I looked at these two are somewhat becoming best friends/siblings basically. When I look at Cordy and Angel I dont see romance, I see them working better as friends than lovers.

[angelchick182]

I think the difference between Buffy & Cordy was choice. Buffy was chosen to be a champion, Cordy got to make the choice. And it was a choice she made time and time again. Skip offered her a perfect life, and she still found her way back to Angel. She chose to be made part-demon to keep the visions. She chose to be a higher being.


It came across through all the series of Buffy that, although she would do her best, and save the world (a lot), Buffy, understandably, didn't "want to be the one". She wanted to be "a normal girl, falling asleep in the arms of her normal boyfriend". I don't think Cordy wanted that.

I understand your point, and it's pretty much the same reason a lot of people think Buffy should ultimately choose Spike over Angel. But the origin of Buffy and Cordy's Champion status isn't my point. Noble as it was for Cordy to choose to give up a perfect life to rejoin Angel and the mission, it still doesn't change the fact that at that point in time - nothing had changed in Angel's situation from the time he left Buffy. He couldn't offer Cordy any more a normal life than he could Buffy, though "normal life" would be a relative term in either situation.

I still, in the end, come back to the position that I've always thought that Angel and Cordy worked best as friends.

[Dlou444]

Personally, I liked Angel and Cordy a LOT more than Angel and Buffy.
As I've said before, I think Angel and Buffy had a very "superficial" typical High School Romance. Attraction and the benefit of "something" in common, and the whole "it'll be the end of the world if we're not together" (which was slightly more on track for Bangel), but not really based on anything "real".

Maybe I'm a cynic because I never really felt that. I mean, I LOVED my high school boyfriend, and I still do. We're great friends. But, I knew even at the time it was STUPID to start naming our children or anything more because I was so young. He seemed to also. We were just kind of "biding our time" and chose to do it together.

I think Spuffy was built on more. At least in the sense that I felt like Spike loved Buffy for an ACTUAL reason. And he not only had those reasons, but chose to change his life for them and tell her all the time what those reasons were. Angel just seemed to kind of shape up because a hot girl walked in the room. And, in the end, I think Buffy grew a LOT because of Spike. She grew to see that people can't just be tossed into categories of "good" and "bad". I AM glad Spuffy ended though, because I don't think it was good for Spike to have to live like that because it seems it's taking Buffy a LONG time to "bake".

But, Cangel seemed based on something SO much....just more. They were both "fish out of water" in LA. They seemed to both be kind of floundering in their new lives. It was cute to see them grow and stick together, mainly because of Doyle who neither of them really seemed to overly adore all that much.
And it was adorable when Doyle died because they really just kind of stuck to each other like glue.
I think ALL of that is VERY realistic.
Cordy's hurt when Angel fires them is SO real. Wes and Gunn aren't happy, but Cordy's REALLY HURT.
Although the clothes scene is one of the CUTEST scenes I've ever seen, I think it's also very telling. If I have to think DEEP about it and not how adorable they look hopping around, it's not really a sign of how "shallow" Cordy still is, but really how much it meant to her that Angel still not only knew what she liked but cared enough to go GET it for her.
I often wish my husband would "get that". And actual EFFORT, no matter how small or how it pertains to the "hurt" means SO much more than just an apology.

Anyway, as time goes on, it shows so clearly that they didn't just say, "Oh, he/she is HOT" that it was actually built on the love, trust, and respect that they had for each other.
Personally, I think it's the most stable and BELIEVABLE love in the whole Buffy/Angel-verse.

[Lindsey McDonald]

I understand your point, and it's pretty much the same reason a lot of people think Buffy should ultimately choose Spike over Angel. But the origin of Buffy and Cordy's Champion status isn't my point. Noble as it was for Cordy to choose to give up a perfect life to rejoin Angel and the mission, it still doesn't change the fact that at that point in time - nothing had changed in Angel's situation from the time he left Buffy. He couldn't offer Cordy any more a normal life than he could Buffy, though "normal life" would be a relative term in either situation.

I still, in the end, come back to the position that I've always thought that Angel and Cordy worked best as friends.

But that isn't the point people are making. Yes, Angel's situation did not change. Cordelia's situation, however, is completely different to Buffy's. He couldn't offer her a normal life, but she did not want a normal life. That is clear from very early on. She wanted to give up her life for the PTB and to Help the Helpless, Buffy, deep down, didn't. Not when Bangel finished, anyway.

Cordelia and Angel were wonderful together. I didn't see it as forced at all. No-one has really posted any kind of complelling argument on that point, yet everyone keeps going back to it. It developed over 3 seasons, and they went through so much more together than Bangel. They even got the (short) chance to see what it would be like to be a family together. And Kyrumption? I always saw that as an in-joke. Champions being attracted to Champions? Kind of like how Buffy never has a meaningful relationship with Man Drinking Coffee in Bronze No. 2, or Angel never finds true love with Wolfram and Hart Attorney No. 24, no?

[angelchick182]

But that isn't the point people are making. Yes, Angel's situation did not change. Cordelia's situation, however, is completely different to Buffy's. He couldn't offer her a normal life, but she did not want a normal life. That is clear from very early on. She wanted to give up her life for the PTB and to Help the Helpless, Buffy, deep down, didn't. Not when Bangel finished, anyway.


I see what you're saying, and I agree that at the time Bangel finished, Buffy wanted a real future, which I also think is something that changed in later seasons.

This is just one of those Buffy/Angelverse topics that pretty much every fan is resolved on one way or the other. Each side of the fence presents their case, and it makes for a good read, but I doubt many will change how they see it - since there's no right or wrong answer here.

I didn't like the idea of Cangel back then, and I don't like the idea of Cangel now(after I've just re-watched the series). There've been lots of logical arguments against that, and I understand them, but for me, it's about emotion, not logic.

Now I think it's time for a :grouphug: for the Bangels & Cangels!

[Lindsey McDonald]

I see what you're saying, and I agree that at the time Bangel finished, Buffy wanted a real future, which I also think is something that changed in later seasons.

This is just one of those Buffy/Angelverse topics that pretty much every fan is resolved on one way or the other. Each side of the fence presents their case, and it makes for a good read, but I doubt many will change how they see it - since there's no right or wrong answer here.

I didn't like the idea of Cangel back then, and I don't like the idea of Cangel now(after I've just re-watched the series). There've been lots of logical arguments against that, and I understand them, but for me, it's about emotion, not logic.

Now I think it's time for a :grouphug: for the Bangels & Cangels!

:grouphug:

I can totally understand people having different emotional responses to different ships, and I have the....utmost.....respect.....for......Bangels.... ..(that was hard), and any other ships. Except Biles. That's just icky. It's the fact that so many Bangels completely dismiss Cangel out of hand. Personal preference, I can deal with, but a lot of it is sheer prejudice and only seeing what one wants to see. But I'll shut up now.


Actually, wait. I think an historic moment has been reached. A ship war (involving Bangels no less ;p) that has dissolved to :grouphug: in less than 30 posts? *runs over to the end of the world thread with a new faith in humanity*



Lol. We have an End of the World thread.

[Darling]

Gosh, i *really* dont like them together... the new Cordy, all smooth and calm, also annoying.. lol

When I see those two together seems pointless to me, like the writers were pushing too hard.

[DarkAvenger]

I don't agree with that.. :/ If angel should be with someone that one should be cordelia. ;)

[randiann]

I still stand by my beliefs that Cangel is the root of all evil. And senseless.

Cangel BAD!

[Angel's Avenger]

But...Cordy has changed so much since her Buffy days. She's alot nicer and kinder and not so high maintenance. I loved this pairing as there were more chemistry and it wasn't as predictable as Bangle was. (Sorry but I hated the Bangle pairing. So predictable and could see coming a mile away) anyway this is my view.

[randiann]

But...Cordy has changed so much since her Buffy days. She's alot nicer and kinder and not so high maintenance. I loved this pairing as there were more chemistry

Yeah in a backwoods "hey lets date my sister" kind of way. Their chemistry was totally brother/sister, NOT romantic at all. Cangel is just yucky and completely false. And, besides once while being posessed by ghosts, did they actually ever physically have any romantic happenings? Your welcome doesn't count as Cordelia was technically in a coma throughout the entire ep. Cangel lacks the passion and intensity of Bangel, and its more a relationship (if you can even call it that with as little screen time as it got) of convienence (sp?) than of anything else. They are around each other and no other single people, therefore they start to like each other for that reason only. It's not true attraction.

[Dlou444]

Hey! There was Groo and she basically dumped him because of her love for Angel! Don't make me angry woman! I still have my konking pan around here!

[Lindsey McDonald]

Yeah in a backwoods "hey lets date my sister" kind of way. Their chemistry was totally brother/sister, NOT romantic at all. Cangel is just yucky and completely false. And, besides once while being posessed by ghosts, did they actually ever physically have any romantic happenings? Your welcome doesn't count as Cordelia was technically in a coma throughout the entire ep. Cangel lacks the passion and intensity of Bangel, and its more a relationship (if you can even call it that with as little screen time as it got) of convienence (sp?) than of anything else. They are around each other and no other single people, therefore they start to like each other for that reason only. It's not true attraction.

I find Cangel a lot more believable than Bangel. And less creepy. 200 year old vampire sees 15 year old girl and immediately falls in love? Seems a little more backwoods to me. But aside from that, Bangel is a different kind of love. Bangel is the big, epic, romantic forbidden love. Cangel is much more slow-burning. It was built on intimate friendship. Buffy and Angel were never really friends. They were lovers, but not friends. Also, the fact that Cordelia and Angel never actually got physical is part of the whole tragedy, but the one time Angel imagined it it gave him perfect happiness. He was in love.

[caritas08]

I like Cordelia for Angel better than I like Angel for Cordelia if that makes any sense (she's too good for him in my opinion). Although I'm a Cordelia/Doyle shipper, I actually liked the Cangel relationship that was developing until the writers chickened out because the fans "weren't liking it." I think Cordelia and Angel had a deep, mature friendship and love that developed into a romantic attachment. I also liked the idea because Angel and Cordelia had so much history together since the start of the show. I don't see anything wrong with Angel and Buffy moving on and getting other love interests. I believe you can have more than one soulmate in life.

On a different note, Buffy never seemed too young for Angel when she was in high school, but Nina seemed waayy too young for him and I found that "relationship" a little disturbing.