wiccianslayer
05-03-2008, 10:56 PM
Figured you might wanna see this it lists some good points about angel and spike. and a few other things. she's gave me permission to use this on the boards.
It's basicly me slagging off angel and Bangel and he slagging off Spuffy and spike.
And the possiblityy of Spangel.
This was done on MSN
I have tried to cover the swearing alil there is the odd swear word. I'll most likely be updating more of our debates Knowing the way we just debated.
I'm a Bangel fan and there's no chance of them being together with the rps separated... but the story sounds good especially that connor and cordy were never together
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
"true i do love my spuffy
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
But i also have aprreciation for Bangel
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
there are some bangel moments that make me go AWWWW
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
I was a die hard Bangel shipper till
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
angelus
Raye Evans says:
I have an appreciation for spuffy too just was never anything on bangel... and u can't be a die hard fan if u can easily change your mind cos he went evil...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
But i was still routing a lil specially in the prom
Raye Evans says:
at least he never tried to rape buffy...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Hmm see now i'm not to sure of that
Raye Evans says:
whatever u need to believe
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
He seemed to be thinking it over in Amends he was pretty tempted
Raye Evans says:
but he didn't there's the diff...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Spike was pushed to his limit
Raye Evans says:
so she asked for it? u did not just say that!!
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
I didn't say that
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
I was just saying she had a lil to do with it
Raye Evans says:
no girl ever has any responsibility at all for a guy trying to rape her
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Not in real life but in the buffyverse one minute saying no then jumpin on him the next
Raye Evans says:
it was just gross to me after that... plus I don't find him attractive
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
He lost it and you can tell he's shocked and sorry and actully not able to believe what he did (Great acting thank you JM)
Raye Evans says:
well I'm glad he can act, cos he doesn't look pretty...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
And i suppose you find tall, dark and forehead attractive?
Raye Evans says:
hell yeah!!
Raye Evans says:
just not skinny, boney, fake blonde and kinda geeky...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Geeky?
Raye Evans says:
did u see him before he was a vampire?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Yes
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
But that was william
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
and i thought he was kinda sweet
Raye Evans says:
it was still spike
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
MM hmm
Raye Evans says:
Liam was a pr**k
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
was not the spike persona did not come untill a lil later
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
THANK YOU"!
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
you actully have a lil sense
Raye Evans says:
no, just trying to make u feel a little better...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
William was so much more of a better man then liam
Raye Evans says:
yeah but liam was hotter
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
SO was not he was a drunken lay about who would sleep with anything
Raye Evans says:
and spike was a hopeless geek who wrote crappy poetry... and ended up with a crazy woman...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Only because angelus turned drove that women insane and turned her in to a vampire
Raye Evans says:
yeah he was evil but still hot...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Evil isn't a strong enough word!
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
He was phycotic ba**ard to say the least
Raye Evans says:
yeah, u were a buff/angel fan NOT
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
I was a buffy angel fan when i was about 10 i got wiser with age
Raye Evans says:
or stupider...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Liam was a loser - Angelus was a ba**ard and angel was way to broody and couldn't get laid without reverting to a ba**ard unless you make it a real bad lay
Raye Evans says:
I like the broody types over the rapist ones...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
And i like the ones that can actully love without a soul
Raye Evans says:
he didn't love her without a soul he kept hurting her, that isn't love
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
he made a few mistakes do i need to remind you of a certain hell god tourturing him?
Raye Evans says:
yeah, that makes it all good NOT he kept hurting her cos he didn't have a soul!! he couldn't love her, he was just obssessed!! and Ange was never tortured, huh?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
hmm tourtured about 2 3 times?
Raye Evans says:
23? yeah about that
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
2-3
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Okay hmm dru turning him in season 2 of buffy
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Spike gettin him toutured in season 1 of angel
Raye Evans says:
don't forget he went to hell
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
He brought the hell on himself
Raye Evans says:
he was angelus then he didn't have a soul, why should he be held responsible for the things he did without a soul, when spike isn't for trying to rape buffy when he didn't have a soul?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Actully he is
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
By xander and dawn and for a lil while buffy
Raye Evans says:
but not by u?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Not really i hated he did it but he kinda won me back over with the whole gettin his soul back willinly thing Least he didn't get cursed
by gypsys
Raye Evans says:
I don't believe he was trying to get his soul back he said he wanted to give buffy what she deserved and he didn't say that in a nice way
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
yeah but it was a plot twist we were meant to believe he was gonna get the chip out so we'd be surprised when he got his soul joss said it himself
Raye Evans says:
no, I reckon he wanted to pay her back
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
The whedon said it himself thats what he intended
Raye Evans says:
so let's do this messenger rp thing u can be buffy, I'll be spike and I can tell u to go back to Angel
Raye Evans says:
bull sh*t - u spuffy fans clutch at straws
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
It's on the interview season seven disk 1 hour long interview with writers and charries from the show
Raye Evans says:
like I said, u spuffy fans are desperate to prove ur point...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Like you Bangel fans aint?
Raye Evans says:
cos u all know deep down that Buffy and angel were soul mates and it hurts u
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Please
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
He left her!
Raye Evans says:
he had to!!
Raye Evans says:
don't even try that bullsh*t!!
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Why? cause he was to weak to resist her?
Raye Evans says:
no, cos he loved her too much
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
same diff
Raye Evans says:
u think love is weak?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
no just
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
he shouldn't have left a slayer cant have a normal life it's impossible!
Raye Evans says:
he didn't leave her forever he came back time and time again
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
hmm yeah to make her miss him when he left again!
Raye Evans says:
and they were gonna be together at the end - otherwise what was with all the cookie dough talk? even buffy knew they'd be together
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Because joss was trying to make it fair for the bangel fans cause giving them pity hope!
Raye Evans says:
exactly!! a spuffy fan clutching at straws again... they said outright they'd be together, but you're so desperate to even prove their own words wrong...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
ad buffy told him to shove off partially because of spike
Raye Evans says:
whatever u need to believe read my above message
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
and she admited spike was in her heart and she told spike she loved him
Raye Evans says:
and he said she didn't, and she didn't argue
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
and she admited her and anels relationshipe wasn't that great
Raye Evans says:
clutching at those straws... buffy said she'd be with angel
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
she did not
Raye Evans says:
she did
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
she said she though about it sometimes!
Raye Evans says:
and she didn't argue when spike said she didn't love him...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
the hellmouth was colapsing
Raye Evans says:
so? yes, that is the only reason she said it...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Is not
Raye Evans says:
and she didn't argue when spike said she didn't love him...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Yeah well hes the one whos arms she was in
Raye Evans says:
now yeah but she didn't want him forever...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
how do you know? least spike never tried to drain her
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
oh wait angel actully did
Raye Evans says:
omg!! u are so sad
Raye Evans says:
no he just tried to rape her, and hurt her, and hurt her feelings constantly...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
me sad? i'm not the one backin a broody poof
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Like she didn't hurt him?
Raye Evans says:
yeah, cos the bleached blonde hair is so not gay...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Its a fashion statement!
Raye Evans says:
yeah, it says a lot
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
And darling if he was ever with a guy it would have been angelus
Raye Evans says:
spike and angel? sounds hot
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
point
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
And i quote "i never shagged angel!... well there was that one time...."
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
it was in a season 5 ep of angel
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
cant remember which one
Raye Evans says:
spike?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
yep
Raye Evans says:
would've been pretty bloody hot.
It's basicly me slagging off angel and Bangel and he slagging off Spuffy and spike.
And the possiblityy of Spangel.
This was done on MSN
I have tried to cover the swearing alil there is the odd swear word. I'll most likely be updating more of our debates Knowing the way we just debated.
I'm a Bangel fan and there's no chance of them being together with the rps separated... but the story sounds good especially that connor and cordy were never together
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
"true i do love my spuffy
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
But i also have aprreciation for Bangel
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
there are some bangel moments that make me go AWWWW
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
I was a die hard Bangel shipper till
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
angelus
Raye Evans says:
I have an appreciation for spuffy too just was never anything on bangel... and u can't be a die hard fan if u can easily change your mind cos he went evil...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
But i was still routing a lil specially in the prom
Raye Evans says:
at least he never tried to rape buffy...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Hmm see now i'm not to sure of that
Raye Evans says:
whatever u need to believe
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
He seemed to be thinking it over in Amends he was pretty tempted
Raye Evans says:
but he didn't there's the diff...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Spike was pushed to his limit
Raye Evans says:
so she asked for it? u did not just say that!!
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
I didn't say that
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
I was just saying she had a lil to do with it
Raye Evans says:
no girl ever has any responsibility at all for a guy trying to rape her
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Not in real life but in the buffyverse one minute saying no then jumpin on him the next
Raye Evans says:
it was just gross to me after that... plus I don't find him attractive
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
He lost it and you can tell he's shocked and sorry and actully not able to believe what he did (Great acting thank you JM)
Raye Evans says:
well I'm glad he can act, cos he doesn't look pretty...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
And i suppose you find tall, dark and forehead attractive?
Raye Evans says:
hell yeah!!
Raye Evans says:
just not skinny, boney, fake blonde and kinda geeky...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Geeky?
Raye Evans says:
did u see him before he was a vampire?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Yes
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
But that was william
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
and i thought he was kinda sweet
Raye Evans says:
it was still spike
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
MM hmm
Raye Evans says:
Liam was a pr**k
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
was not the spike persona did not come untill a lil later
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
THANK YOU"!
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
you actully have a lil sense
Raye Evans says:
no, just trying to make u feel a little better...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
William was so much more of a better man then liam
Raye Evans says:
yeah but liam was hotter
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
SO was not he was a drunken lay about who would sleep with anything
Raye Evans says:
and spike was a hopeless geek who wrote crappy poetry... and ended up with a crazy woman...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Only because angelus turned drove that women insane and turned her in to a vampire
Raye Evans says:
yeah he was evil but still hot...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Evil isn't a strong enough word!
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
He was phycotic ba**ard to say the least
Raye Evans says:
yeah, u were a buff/angel fan NOT
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
I was a buffy angel fan when i was about 10 i got wiser with age
Raye Evans says:
or stupider...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Liam was a loser - Angelus was a ba**ard and angel was way to broody and couldn't get laid without reverting to a ba**ard unless you make it a real bad lay
Raye Evans says:
I like the broody types over the rapist ones...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
And i like the ones that can actully love without a soul
Raye Evans says:
he didn't love her without a soul he kept hurting her, that isn't love
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
he made a few mistakes do i need to remind you of a certain hell god tourturing him?
Raye Evans says:
yeah, that makes it all good NOT he kept hurting her cos he didn't have a soul!! he couldn't love her, he was just obssessed!! and Ange was never tortured, huh?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
hmm tourtured about 2 3 times?
Raye Evans says:
23? yeah about that
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
2-3
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Okay hmm dru turning him in season 2 of buffy
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Spike gettin him toutured in season 1 of angel
Raye Evans says:
don't forget he went to hell
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
He brought the hell on himself
Raye Evans says:
he was angelus then he didn't have a soul, why should he be held responsible for the things he did without a soul, when spike isn't for trying to rape buffy when he didn't have a soul?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Actully he is
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
By xander and dawn and for a lil while buffy
Raye Evans says:
but not by u?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Not really i hated he did it but he kinda won me back over with the whole gettin his soul back willinly thing Least he didn't get cursed
by gypsys
Raye Evans says:
I don't believe he was trying to get his soul back he said he wanted to give buffy what she deserved and he didn't say that in a nice way
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
yeah but it was a plot twist we were meant to believe he was gonna get the chip out so we'd be surprised when he got his soul joss said it himself
Raye Evans says:
no, I reckon he wanted to pay her back
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
The whedon said it himself thats what he intended
Raye Evans says:
so let's do this messenger rp thing u can be buffy, I'll be spike and I can tell u to go back to Angel
Raye Evans says:
bull sh*t - u spuffy fans clutch at straws
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
It's on the interview season seven disk 1 hour long interview with writers and charries from the show
Raye Evans says:
like I said, u spuffy fans are desperate to prove ur point...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Like you Bangel fans aint?
Raye Evans says:
cos u all know deep down that Buffy and angel were soul mates and it hurts u
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Please
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
He left her!
Raye Evans says:
he had to!!
Raye Evans says:
don't even try that bullsh*t!!
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Why? cause he was to weak to resist her?
Raye Evans says:
no, cos he loved her too much
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
same diff
Raye Evans says:
u think love is weak?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
no just
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
he shouldn't have left a slayer cant have a normal life it's impossible!
Raye Evans says:
he didn't leave her forever he came back time and time again
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
hmm yeah to make her miss him when he left again!
Raye Evans says:
and they were gonna be together at the end - otherwise what was with all the cookie dough talk? even buffy knew they'd be together
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Because joss was trying to make it fair for the bangel fans cause giving them pity hope!
Raye Evans says:
exactly!! a spuffy fan clutching at straws again... they said outright they'd be together, but you're so desperate to even prove their own words wrong...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
ad buffy told him to shove off partially because of spike
Raye Evans says:
whatever u need to believe read my above message
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
and she admited spike was in her heart and she told spike she loved him
Raye Evans says:
and he said she didn't, and she didn't argue
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
and she admited her and anels relationshipe wasn't that great
Raye Evans says:
clutching at those straws... buffy said she'd be with angel
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
she did not
Raye Evans says:
she did
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
she said she though about it sometimes!
Raye Evans says:
and she didn't argue when spike said she didn't love him...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
the hellmouth was colapsing
Raye Evans says:
so? yes, that is the only reason she said it...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Is not
Raye Evans says:
and she didn't argue when spike said she didn't love him...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Yeah well hes the one whos arms she was in
Raye Evans says:
now yeah but she didn't want him forever...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
how do you know? least spike never tried to drain her
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
oh wait angel actully did
Raye Evans says:
omg!! u are so sad
Raye Evans says:
no he just tried to rape her, and hurt her, and hurt her feelings constantly...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
me sad? i'm not the one backin a broody poof
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Like she didn't hurt him?
Raye Evans says:
yeah, cos the bleached blonde hair is so not gay...
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
Its a fashion statement!
Raye Evans says:
yeah, it says a lot
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
And darling if he was ever with a guy it would have been angelus
Raye Evans says:
spike and angel? sounds hot
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
point
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
And i quote "i never shagged angel!... well there was that one time...."
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
it was in a season 5 ep of angel
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
cant remember which one
Raye Evans says:
spike?
Roxy A.K.A Wiccianslayer A.K.A Kindandsweet says:
yep
Raye Evans says:
would've been pretty bloody hot.