Do You Like Dark Willow?

[Aethra]

Searched and couldn't find a thread like this, so please don't hurt me if there already is one.
I actually am not a fan of Dark Willow. That particular character transformation was probably the main reason I didn't really like season six. But I've noticed a bunch of you saying that Dark Willow was amazing and such things, so I wanted to see if anybody else actually agrees with me.

(Wanted to add a poll but I can't figure out how...)

[littlewilly]

The story with s6 was good but i agree on dark willow.
I hated her cheeky attitude, and they gave her too much power.
I mean, flying around, teleporting, fireballs.... just a bit too ridiculous. Then to finish of she was gonna end the world.
It was just silly.
I definetilty prefered season 1, 2 and 3 Willow.

(p.s. to do a poll, when you have wrote your thread, before you click 'submit thread' go down the page a bit, there is a poll option)

[Bangelxx]

I LOVED dark willow! she was my absolute FAVORITE villain of all time!

[Dancing man]

I dont like Dark Williow or Season 6 I thought it was poor and Williow being a big bad always came across like a last ditch effort to get fans excited again.

I did however really enjoy Angel season 4 when she used her awesome power to confront Cordy in a magic battle.

[Buffanator]

I absolutely LOVED Dark Willow! - I like seeing a popular character go off the deep end, & then get pulled back in by those who love her. And Alyson Hannigan was SO good being SO evil! :bite-cha: Heh! oh... and her quippy d.w. lines... Loved it! Loved the whole idea!

"Thanks, but I can kill a couple of geeks all by myself."

"You're always saving everyone. It's kinda pesky."

Uhoh! Daddy's home! I'm in wicked trouble now!":lmao:

She was the bomb-diggity. :cheering:

[Lindsey McDonald]

I loved Dark Willow too. Probably cause she wasn't all flashy like Glory and the Trio had been. She just wanted to do what she wanted to do and took the most direct route. Plus, she got some of the coolest special effects in the entire series. There was her flying, and the breaking down of the jail cell wall, riding the truck, absorbing the books, the stasis spell cast by Giles. Especially the one where she teleports Buffy and Dawn from Rack's place to the Magic Box where the camera pans round so slowly that you don't even realise it until they are already there.

Not that I base my likings on special effects, but they definately added to her villian mentality. There was great dialogue and acting to support it all. And she got a showdown with Giles, which was wicked cool. I don't think it was a last ditch attempt to get fans excieted either, I mean, they were building towards it all season. Right from Bargaining.

[LorneyTunes]

I just loved her witty sense of evil humour lol

Its nice to see that she would destory with world out of grief
for Tara oh and revenge . But revenge is blind hatered and no no one can stop it except love which is why Xander yet again saves the day x

[Crazy Flakes]

I absolutely love Dark Willow. She's the main reason why I love season 6 so much. It was great seeing how she slowly goes over the edge over the course of the season, then, right when you think she's finally gotten better, Tara dies and she just completely loses it. Like most of the other people in this thread, I also loved her evil mentality and snappy one-liners, and Alyson Hannigan did a great job of portraying her.

I can understand why someone would think she was too powerful, but I think it was good that they made her so strong. Not only were her powers really cool visually, but it was great to finally have a villain that Buffy couldn't just beat down. The whole thing with Xander on Kingman's Bluff wouldn't have worked if she had been any weaker.

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

if we didn't have dark willow, xander would've never had his shining moment.

I liked her, but some of her powers i agree were a bit...silly. The flying never bothered me, but the fireball and the "fly my pretty, fly" line was sooo cheesy it makes me cringe.

But come on, we got a fight between buffy and willow! it was awesome!

[Keanoite]

Personally, I hate Dark Willow with a fiery passion. I find her quips more annoying than funny. It pissed me off that she got off so easily, she almost destroys the world and literally brings Giles to within an inch of his life and she gets a holiday in England out of it. I find it extremely aggrivating considering characters like Buffy, Angel and Spike are made to pay for their mistakes for years, yet Willow gets a pat on the back for being so strong. Double standards much?


I loved high school Willow. With fuzzy jumpers and the equally funny quips. I'd like to see more of her around.

[Lindsey McDonald]

if we didn't have dark willow, xander would've never had his shining moment.

I liked her, but some of her powers i agree were a bit...silly. The flying never bothered me, but the fireball and the "fly my pretty, fly" line was sooo cheesy it makes me cringe.

But come on, we got a fight between buffy and willow! it was awesome!

The "Fly my pretty, fly!" line would have annoyed me if they hadn't followed it up with the "See what I did there?" It was a joke that worked on 2 levels, firstly: witch, and secondly it was a dig at Buffy and her one liners. The irony cuts through the cheese! My only problem with it was that it seemed to be added in during editing, as it seemed squished in a bit.


The one thing I found most wonderful about that fight was the William Shatner book lying in the detritus. I always knew there were some kind of dark magics about him! I suppose we should be glad she didn't absorb that book....

[Atren]

I personally did not really like her. Felt kinda she lacked rage in her tone when dialouges and occassionally also talked about her former self as totally different person which i thought was bad. Also i did not quite like end of the world escalation, should have kept it to perhaps Sunnydale destruction if they wanted to escalate it.

[Lindsey McDonald]

I personally did not really like her. Felt kinda she lacked rage in her tone when dialouges and occassionally also talked about her former self as totally different person which i thought was bad. Also i did not quite like end of the world escalation, should have kept it to perhaps Sunnydale destruction if they wanted to escalate it.

See, you've just listed some of the things I liked most! I suppose it's just different strokes and all that.

[NympHadorA]

Normally, I didnt like DarkWillow... But I am a X-Men fan too, and I am a big fan of DarkPhoenix/Jean Grey... So I loved her and her similar attitudes... :)

[Buffy obsessed fan]

Dark Willow? Hell Yeah! To begin with I didn't like her, but then I realised I actually just didn't enjoy because of Tara's death, once I got used to the concept, I totally loved her. She's awesome.

[Kemy]

I *love* the Dark Willow character and have the Wicked Willow trilogy of books too.

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

where exactly do the events of the Wicked Willow trilogy fall in the timeline?

[Kemy]

They don't, technically speaking.

The book picks up on the idea of the multiverse, all the possible realities out there, and that the moment after she flays Warren is one of these branching points.

The "true" timeline or rather the show goes one way, the book goes another and explores an alternative universe. In this one, Willow was not stopped that night, crippling Giles in the Magic Box and spends 3 months gathering a coven of dark Witches and coerced Wiccans to gather power for her to defeat the actual beings preventing Tara from coming back to her.

Its a different take on the story and involves Tara being bound to Willow as a ghost but gives each characters thoughts on the situation, something we didn't have enough time to see on screen, and the anguish/hatred Willow feels for Buffy, blaming Tara's death on her and kind of seems similar to the Season 8 feelings Willow has about Buffy being "to blame", keeping Kennedy away.

But it definitely isn't canon and cannot fit in with Season 7 or 8 in the real timeline.

[Cangel]

Not much of a fan here. Well, to be fair I didn't like Willow tht much at all in the post-high school seaons but Dark Willow was even worse.
I just didn't like the idea of Willow being so powerful and everything, easily overpowering the slayer.
I did, however, like how Xander got her back to normal Willow.

[Lindsey McDonald]

I have a slightly related question. Am I insane?



It's related, really! I seem to remember there being a scene where Anya mentions that Willow can't teleport yet, and she has to fly. Something about it being flashy and scares the peasants, but slower. I'm 99% sure that happened. Was there subsequently a scene actually showing Willow flying? Kind of Elphaba-esque? Did I make that up? I was trying to find caps of it....then realised it may never have happened. Please let me be right!

[The Kinslayer]

Elphaba-esque?
I have absolutely no idea what that means. As flying goes she floats (so to speak) up in the air then she´s going to kill Andrew and Jonathan in the prison. But it´s not like Superman-flying or anything.

[Lindsey McDonald]

Wizard of Oz reference! The Wicked Witch of the West on her broomstick (or bike) was called Elphaba. And I really think I'm imagining things. I have it so clear in my mind though. I must be mixing two scenes together....

[InLoveWithBuffy]

Dark Willow was.... something strange... She didn't look so cute enymore and was soo evil.... When I saw dark willow first time i thought: this cannot be the same willow who i have crush on.... It's not she! But nowdays i like her, she's so cute when she is evil

[Angel's Avenger]

No. I didn't like Dark Willow...she was depressing. I prefer Vampy Willow.

[horrorshock666]

I personally though the whole dark Willow transformation was pretty good. I mean i am rather biased because i love her to death as you all probably know. I thought it was god to explore a different side to the character of Willow, and i think exploring addiction was a very poignant point and plot... as i have known people who have fell to this sort of thing (not with magick though obv!) i thought it was something that was good. It just shows again the whole issue of people chaging for the worse when things get in between them being the person you know and love.
I have to admit that i felt it somewhat put a wet cloth over the fire i had for Willow in some ways, but i will always love Willow and feel that she is the character i am most like (pre-dark).

x

[littlewilly]

No, i personally HATED Dark Willow with a firey passion and would go as far as to say she's the worst character in Buffy.

[Lindsey McDonald]

I was watching Two to Go on FX today, and I realised that another reason I liked Dark Willow was the effect she had on Anya. Not only did we get to see some classic "saying what everyone's thinking" Anya, but she really stepped up to the plate in this ep. I always liked those moments for her; The Gift (with the baseball bat!), Selfless, Chosen.

[Fake Shemp]

darth rosenberg got all the best lines at the end of season 6... absolutely perfect

i thought, regarding her erm travelling, was that the way she dissapered looked all showy to impress the locals, but still took time... like she popped out of reality and travelled on some weird evil willow highway to get to where she wanted, i mean look how she got from Racks place with dawnie and buffy to the magik box... to us thats quick but magikally speaking Anya could pretty much Bampf from one place to another, but it didnt look cool.

[Xin Rong]

Dark Willow was pretty cool and she was unique in the sense that she was literally going to destroy the world, not send it to a hell dimension or become supreme leader or anything like that... you gotta love the ruthlessness

[pernilleborup]

Dark Willow was driven by grief and vengance. She was a deadly killing wicca, and didn't stand back for anybody.

So no, I do not fancy the poor soul who had that much hurt and anger. I pity her

[punkypower]

As I'm sure you guys have figured out from the Mean Girls survivor, Dark Willow is one of my least favorite characters.

First, she stole the Trio's thunder. Not since Angelus, Spike and Dru had I been excited about a Big Bad. They were getting everything they wanted all by using their brains. Not even Buffy could defeat them.

Second, she is instantly redeemed because it was all out of grief? She killed not only Warren, but Rack, who may have not been the most pure guy, but was a human. I thought the golden rule was not to take a human life. Not to mention all the torturing of her own friends. The Scoobies treated Spike like he was dog poo under their shoes for years, even after he started patrolling with them and occasionally saving their lives. Certain Scoobies couldn't even forgive Angel once he came back from the hell dimension (let's not EVEN talk about before that with the "Willow says kick his ass!" Screw you, Xander!)

Finally, and I know this doesn't have to do with Dark Willow per se, but she almost ends the world because she's lost her true love, and then they hook her up a couple episodes into the next season?! With someone who is completely a mockery to Tara's memory? Sorry, I can NEVER forgive someone for making me watch Kennedy more than one episode.

[DarkAvenger]

i loved dark willow!! :D I think it's very cool to see a completely different side of one character. that's why i love dark willow (and vamp will was really cool too! :D). AND i loved the last episodes of season 6 (dark willow episodes). ;)

-I was the only one who liked her.. no wonder she was killed (in the thread Mean Girls survivor) :/

[scobro]

I like Dark Willow more than Pale Willow; Vamp Willow was slightly above Dark on the scale of like-ability. In fact, that season was the worst 'willow' season. I really did not care for the character at all that season (though I suppose she was written that way) From her trying to be the woman of the house, to whiny crying addicted Willow et al. Just seemed to be more irritating than compelling. So yeah, Dark Willow was a nice break.

[Ktsunami]

Dark Willow deppressed me a bit... I loved, I mean adored Willow. She was my favorite character. And Dark Willow was almost too super hero-y. I mean fire balls? Come on. :\

[punkypower]

What are you talking about? Buffy beat the trio like 10 times

I could be way off. I need to go and rewatch. However:

--when Buffy went to their "lair," they were a step ahead of her and left a trap for her (which she survived, but it ruined her coat).
--in "Gone," they escaped out the back door of the arcade
--in "Seeing Red," Buffy foiled their robbery plot, but Warren did a good number on her until Jonathan gave her the needed info, and then Warren flew away.

[pernilleborup]

I agree with PP...

and hey, the Trio had it going! Sure, Buffy beat them a couple of times, but they ALWAYS bounced back with a new plan. They were only nerds, but they knew and learned from their mistakes! The Trio will always be my favorite villains. They weren't really mega evil, but they were soooo funny!

Just seeing them together...

Andrew: “We are really super-villains now, like…like Dr. No.”
Warren: “Yeah, back when Bond was Connery, and movies were decent.”
Jonathan: “Who remembers Connery? I mean, Roger Moore was smooth.”
Warren: “You're insane. You're short, and you're insane.”
Andrew: “I like Timothy Dalton!” (Warren smacks him) “Hey!”
Warren: “Don't make me pull over, okay?”