Amends/the First

[randiann]

***POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR ANYONE WHO IS LIVING UNDER A ROCK AND HAS NOT SEEN SEASON 7 OF BUFFY OR SEASON 4 OF ANGEL***



Ok so I was watching Amends last night because I am going through the entire series again and not just the ones I like the best. Usually I don't watch this one because Buffy's crappy short bangs are just way too distracting. But anywhoo, so towards the end, when Buffy is fighting the first and it says she can't defeat it blah blah and then it turns into this monster thingie before disappearing. Has anyone else ever noticed (or am I just deficient for never noticing the connection) that this is the SAME monster that Jasmine-controlled-Cordelia conjures up in Season 4 of Angel (in Orpheus) when Willow is fighting to release Angel's soul from the jar. Anyone else ever notice this before? I'm loving the continuity right there.

[Cangel]

No, I haven't notice that. But major thank you, that's amazing.
Well, and it all kinda makes sense. I mean, Skip was teling AI how everything that happened was part of a plan etc.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but doesn't that finally give us something more about Jasmine? If she had some connection to The First, wouldn't that make her completely evil and would herefore solve the whole 'idealistic world, not fully bad' issue?

[nerd4hire]

You mean the "huge floaty head" thing from Orpheus, right? Gotta screen shot?

I have heard the Jasmine/First alliance theory before. In Amends The First says something to Angel like "When we brought you back". Cordelia's eyes go white like Woods did when he was possessed by the First. There's other stuff, but its not coming to mind.

[Cangel]

Supplying the screenshots. Though now I seem them I'm not too sure anymore...

Buffy:
screenshot 1 (http://www.screencap-paradise.com/caps/displayimage.php?pid=27646&fullsize=1)

Angel:
screenshot 2 (http://www.screencap-paradise.com/caps/displayimage.php?pid=86023&fullsize=1)

[randiann]

Hmmm, they do look different. I could have sworn they were the same. But then again I haven't seen that ep of Angel in awhile....

I know I have seen that floaty head somewhere else too though.

[Keanoite]

When I first saw Orpheus I thought that too but the heads are totally different


http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc192/Keanoite/Deadbysunrise.jpg
Amends



http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc192/Keanoite/Bigfloatyhead.jpg
Orpheus

[Bluebird]

The floaty head representation of The First has been seen twice-once in Amends and once again in I think Bring On The Night when Willow is trying a locator spell.

[Lindsey McDonald]

Didn't it turn up in Conversations With Dead People just as Cassie left? I think it was much clearer there if someone wants to dig out a screenshot. It was also much closer in time (and cgi technology!) to Orpheus.

[Cangel]

I checked 'Bring on the Night', and The First looks prety much like in Amends there, only better visible (couldn't find a good screenshot though), and nothing like in Orpheus.

[randiann]

Ah, maybe that is where it was from. Thanks SS!