What if Spike didn't die

[Urgent Power]

I'm thinking about it sometimes: what if Spike didn't die in the end of season 7 and there was season 8 (on TV), do you think him and Buffy would have dated and have a real loving relationship without hidding it?

[Senior Watcher]

i dont want to spoil anything for you so ill just say that you should really watch angel season 5 and read buffy season 8. they will answer all of your questions.

[lemst6]

I agree with Senior Watcher, you need to watch Season 5 of Angel.

[Blondie Bear]

I don't think Angel S5 quite answers the question of what would have happened if Spike had run out of the Hellmouth with Buffy instead of staying there and burning up. Obviously, he wouldn't have been IN S5 of Angel.

I like to think that he and Buffy would have managed to forge a happy relationship that didn't end with him leaving town.

[Urgent Power]

I have watched Angel S5, and many times. It's like Blondie Bear was saying, it's what I meant-if Spike didn't die and there were to be season 8, Spike probably wouldn't have been part of Angel. So that's actually the point of my question. Thank you (Blondie) Bear.

[lemst6]

Oh I guess I misunderstood the question, well I think that Buffy was never able to actually love Spike, I think that was the whole point of their relationship, that no matter how hard he tried, Buffy would never love him like he wanted her to. Honestly, I think that the writers pushed their relationship far enough that even if there would have been an 8th season of Buffy, Spike would have either been written out or been moved to Angel anyway, there wasn't anything they could do with his character on Buffy in my opinion after that.

[littlewilly]

I doubt it. Of course Spike would probably have loved that but i dont know about Buffy. But it dosnt matter as he's a vampire and even if they tried to make a go of it, it would never have lasted.

[Crazy Flakes]

If Spike hadn't died, I'm fairly certain Buffy wouldn't have told him that she loved him, so no, I don't think they would've started a big, happy relationship (or even an angsty, Bangelesque one.) I think it would have stayed the way it was towards the end of season 7 for a while, then maybe it would've heated up a little, but after that, they'd probably break it off (or Spike would have ran away, 'cause as we all know, that's a time-honored tradition with Buffy's love interests.)

[white avenger]

If there had been a Season 8 on TV, I really doubt that Buffy would ever have told Spike at the end of Season 7 that she loved him. I don't say that because I don't believe that she really did loved him, but because Buffy has had a very hard time using the "L" word since Angel left (Not that she hasn't felt it, just that she's been afraid to admit to it) If they had stayed together I think that they would have become more openly affectionate with each other, much to the irritation of Giles and Xander. Spike might have even permanently moved in to Buffy's cellar. At that point, Giles would suffer a near fatal attack of apoplexy and Xander would have run off to join the Foreign Legion.

[Buffanator]

If Spike hadn't died, then he & Buffy would have run away to Cleveland together (to close down THAT hellmouth as well!) and lived comfortably in a beautiful huge house with NO picket fence (too dangerous for Spike!). They would have a dog named Wolfie, and specialized windows like Angel had at WR&H.

Their home would have a huge basement for training other vampires, because Willow would have worked some crazy ensouling mojo to ensoul all vamps that Spike or Buffy came in contact with (much like her slayerizing all the potentials) then Spike & Buffy would have a huge army of ensouled vampires to help fight other more vicious evils.

And Spike & Buffy would go down in history as the Slayer & the Vampire Love Connection of All Time.

YAY! ~the end. :biggrin:

[palabravampiress]

Umm... if Spike hadn't died, then that would have been a fairly crappy end to his whole redemption arc. As much as I love him in AtS season 5, I still kind of think he should have remained dead so that his sacrifice and beautiful, soulified redemption could have been allowed to stand.

I honestly don't know what would have happened with Spike and Buffy. I kinda don't care. I mean, either they would have stayed together or broken up, neither of which would have been as exciting and inspiring as the big, grand, poetic death scene. Both of those options seem kind of boring and hollow compared to what we got.

[Kana]

Umm... if Spike hadn't died, then that would have been a fairly crappy end to his whole redemption arc. As much as I love him in AtS season 5, I still kind of think he should have remained dead so that his sacrifice and beautiful, soulified redemption could have been allowed to stand.



As heroic and beautiful as his death was in Season 7, I'm glad he made greater strides in Season 5 of Ats. Spike needed a lot of self-reflection and he got that in spades in Damage and Shells.

I still wasn't totally convinced by Chosen that Spike was doing it because he truly believed in redemption, the good fight and being a better person for it's own sake or whether he was doing it because he thought it was what Buffy wanted.

I'm glad he had the opportunity to break away from the realm of Buffy Summers and figure things out for himself.

I suppose I needed the writers the make up for his behaviour in Get It Done where he was like "I'm going to be all Angel-lite. Oh no you don't want that? So you want me to be all badass? Fine, as long as that's what you want" Yuk.

Now Spike has a greater opportunity to grow beyond that and that's what he's done and he's continuing to do so.

[ItMustBeBunnies]

I do wish for them to be togther, I think they deserve another shot!. But I reckon Joss wouldn't let them be a real couple after everything that happened. Sometimes I wish there was another season, and sometimes I dont coz even if he did let them be together, it wouldn't have been for long, happy relationships make bad tv remember? (Damn you Whedon!). And besides, then we wouldn't have had the greatness that was season 5 of Angel, for my money David was never funnier than his scenes with James!

[palabravampiress]

As heroic and beautiful as his death was in Season 7, I'm glad he made greater strides in Season 5 of Ats. Spike needed a lot of self-reflection and he got that in spades in Damage and Shells.

I still wasn't totally convinced by Chosen that Spike was doing it because he truly believed in redemption, the good fight and being a better person for it's own sake or whether he was doing it because he thought it was what Buffy wanted.

I'm glad he had the opportunity to break away from the realm of Buffy Summers and figure things out for himself.

I suppose I needed the writers the make up for his behaviour in Get It Done where he was like "I'm going to be all Angel-lite. Oh no you don't want that? So you want me to be all badass? Fine, as long as that's what you want" Yuk.

Now Spike has a greater opportunity to grow beyond that and that's what he's done and he's continuing to do so.

I can see your point... and maybe I'd go with it if I felt like Spike's inclusion on Angel was based on a need to develop Spike's character further. Instead, his inclusion felt sloppy, especially before they recorporealized him so that he could be at odds with Angel over the whole destiny thing. I felt like Spike's inclusion was based first and foremost on a need to boost ratings by bringing a popular character from Buffy over to Angel. After that, I thought it developed into a means by which to test Angel's faith and fitness for his destiny/ to force him to face his past. Although Spike certainly did undergo some character development on Angel, his inclusion (as funny as their interaction was) felt to me like a gimmick.

[Kana]

I can see your point... and maybe I'd go with it if I felt like Spike's inclusion on Angel was based on a need to develop Spike's character further. Instead, his inclusion felt sloppy, especially before they recorporealized him so that he could be at odds with Angel over the whole destiny thing. I felt like Spike's inclusion was based first and foremost on a need to boost ratings by bringing a popular character from Buffy over to Angel. After that, I thought it developed into a means by which to test Angel's faith and fitness for his destiny/ to force him to face his past. Although Spike certainly did undergo some character development on Angel, his inclusion (as funny as their interaction was) felt to me like a gimmick.

It was totally a gimmick, I just happened to think it was a reasonably handled gimmick. To me Shells was the perfect answer to the Spike self-refelction question in Get It Done. To me Spike has always used external measures of his worth, finding meaning in Dru, Buffy and of course Angel. These issues can be legitimized in terms of character consistency which is why when he stays to fight not because he's trying be who who think someone else wants him to be and not to settle a score with Angel but because for the first time, he totally believes in the mission for it's own sake. I actually think this is a greater development than his getting a soul in the first place. It's subtle but it's there.

[SamZie021]

I don't watch Angel so I don't know anything about his character in that but I would have liked to see Buffy and Spike (if Spike didn't die) have a relationship I think it would have been an interesting one, as a character I must preferred Spike to Angel because even with a soul Spike was still slightly evilish, so I think Buffy and Spike would have a interesting relationship if there were to be a season 8 on tv and if he didn't die, I think they are both unpredictable characters at times so that would make for an interesting relationship!

[caitaintdead]

I was watching Something Blue last night and was thinking 'Buffy and Spike are so cute here' when I decided that I want to see more of that relationship! I want Anya to be a vengeance demon and for Spike to wish that the spell had never ended so we can see more of it. They're just so cute and bubbly under that spell. I wanna see an entire season based on it! Okay so it's never going to happen and I'll go back over here now. *caitaintdead walks over THAT side*

[Airam]

If Spike hadn't died and the series were to have continued on TV I do think that Spike and Buffy would have ventured into a real relationship. Man, I try not to let it get to me but I still take issue with her "I love you" to Spike in Chosen being questioned. She said it, outloud, looking in his eyes, tears streaming down her face! Just because he was too scared to let himself bask in the love because he was about to burn to a crips don't make it not true! All through the end of season 7they were heading exactly towards the path of starting an actual, nonviolent-sex, relationship. He held her all night one night, they both admitted to feeling very connected that night and decided to talk about what it all mean in terms of them after the battle. It's still left to the imagination wether or not they made love the night before the battle, I kinda choose to believe they did somedays, and somedays I kinda hope they just snuggled aagain, but either way, it was leading them more and more into a relationship. Hell she even admitted to Angel that Spike was in her heart, and yes I'm aware that that whole scene was just meant to appease both Bangel and Spuffy fans because she gave Angel a glimmer of hope (for the far, distant, future) but still it counts for something. Had they had another season on air together all signs lead to them continuing to grow in their friendship and having that grow into a romantic relationship, sure with twist and turns and drama thrown in cause it is of course TV, but given what we were given, it was the only logcal progression.

[SamZie021]

I would have like to thought there relationship would have been js as violent, I think Spike was right Buffy liked the pain, so without the fighting and conflict there relationship would never be the same!!!

[LifeIsJustThis]

I'm thinking about it sometimes: what if Spike didn't die in the end of season 7 and there was season 8 (on TV), do you think him and Buffy would have dated and have a real loving relationship without hidding it?

No. I think they would have remained close friends.

Edit:

I would have like to thought there relationship would have been js as violent, I think Spike was right Buffy liked the pain, so without the fighting and conflict there relationship would never be the same!!!
You should watch Angel. It's a great show. Season 5 brings a lot of insight into Spike's character...:)

[pernilleborup]

Let's say he didn't die, and got out with Buffy before she had told him she loved him. The bus has stopped, and everybody are looking at the big whole that once was Sunnydale. Spike and Buffy would take a distance from the others, and they'd talk.

"We bloody did it. Saved the world."

"Yeah..."

"What's wrong?"

"I...thought I was losing you..."

"Like I was that easy to get rid off..."

They'd exchange looks, and then walk to the others. I don't think she would tell him. Not untill some time had passed again.
But then one night, they would be all alone, patroling together...And under the stars she would break down. Crying, admitting how scared she was. He would comfort her, and put his arms around her. And she would mumble.

"Iluffyuo."

"What's that?"

"Nothing..."

[sosa lola]

If they had stayed together I think that they would have become more openly affectionate with each other, much to the irritation of Giles and Xander. Spike might have even permanently moved in to Buffy's cellar. At that point, Giles would suffer a near fatal attack of apoplexy and Xander would have run off to join the Foreign Legion.

I don't know about Giles, but Xander? Really? By S7, I don't think Xander cares if Buffy loved Spike or not. Right after Him, he was far more accepting of Spike being around than Dawn and Anya.

[Mavd]

If Spike didn't die in Chosen, season 5 would be different, maybe Joss would bring Cordy back or something. Spike is kinda annoying in Angel season 5, i'd prefer him in Buffy.