Buffy without Whedon?

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I dont know if this is breaking news or not, but its certainly the first I heard of it.
I was just reading an article on westcolonyentertainment.com about WB possibly doing a new Buffy series without Whedon, Gellar, or any of the TV series cast members.
Like I said I dont know how new this news is because it was not a dated article but everything seemed to have taken place 2 years after the last Buffy season(2003).
The actress they said that would play Buffy is Aleks West.
I'm not so certain that I would like a new Buffy series without SMG or any of the supporting cast members.
I guess it was something about Whedon owning the rights to the characters that was not Buffy Summers.
Funny thing is, at the end of the article there was like a "Breaking News" addon. It said something to the effect that Whedon no longer has the rights to Buffy and the series characters and that Fox indeed does. So, I wonder if that means theres still a chance that its characters has a chance of returning(if they want to).
If anyone is interested and this is indeed news to everyone, here is the website I found it at.
www.westcolonyentertainment.com/news/josswhedon.html
I am pretty sure it was westcolony, if not then its lostcolony. Sorry about the confusion.

Mark
 
ok, the link thing doesn't work for me, so until i can read it for myself, i'm not gonna comment
 
The link doesn't work for me, either. But if what you said is true, then that's the dumbest idea I've ever heard! There is no Buffy without Joss. I wouldn't watch it.
 
Hopefully not. I'd love to see something new from the verse, but I think I want the characters to rip unless Joss is involved.
 
The link doesn't work for me, either. But if what you said is true, then that's the dumbest idea I've ever heard! There is no Buffy without Joss. I wouldn't watch it.
my thoughts exactly. joss made buffy what it is, and quite frankly, i can't imagine buffy without SMG or AH, or NB, or MT...well, you get the idea!
i'd maybe watch just to be nosy, but i can tell you now, i won't like it.
 
Ok, below is the article. I keyworded whedon buffy aleks west to locate the article:













A Buffy Series Without Joss Whedon?

For more than a decade, Writer/Producer/Director Joss Whedon has been synonymous with the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" franchise, so much so that it seems inconceivable that anyone would even attempt to launch a new film or television series about the legendary super heroine without him. But strangely enough, that was, or maybe still is, a plan in the works.

"It's a major misnomer to call Joss the 'creator' of the Buffy Summers character," says a studio executive (currently with Sony) who asked not to be identified. "As wonderful as Joss' writing is, he didn't come up with that character. He got the gig to do the first movie as a write-for-hire job. He wasn't thrilled with what they did to his script and smartly managed to gain control of the TV series but really, 'Buffy' isn't his baby."

The original "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" movie came out in 1992 and starred Kristy Swanson as 'The Chosen One' sent to save the world from demons. The 20th Century Fox film, scripted by hired gun Joss Whedon, was directed by Fran Rubel Kuzui, who also produced the motion picture with Kaz Kuzui. Whedon, after complaining loudly about the production team responsible for "ruining his script," managed to land a deal with Fox to produce the TV version in 1997, garnering creative control over the Buffy character. The Kuzui's were attached as Executive Producers on the show (which aired for five seasons on the WB network before moving to UPN) but wielded no real power on the series, which is largely where things got sticky. The Kuzui's had initially wanted to continue on with the franchise under their own banner but the studio trusted Whedon's vision for the character more than theirs.

"Joss did a tremendous job expanding on the Buffy character and its mythology," says the Sony executive. "Aside from Buffy's parents, who were unnamed in the movie, the only character from the movie to cross over to the series was the Slayer herself. Characters like Spike, Giles, Xander, the Master, Glory...that was all Joss."

However, somewhere along the way, egos were bruised, finances were disputed, and a rift occurred between Whedon and the franchise's original "parents" with the Kuzui's attempting to continue on with their own version of the super heroine...all without Whedon.

"I don't think I'm revealing any big trade secrets in Hollywood by mentioning that a script had been circulating for years for a proposed big-screen Buffy sequel that would've been produced by the Kuzui's with absolutely no involvement whatsoever from Joss," says the Sony exec. "The script was rather convoluted, I thought, and focused more on a male slayer character than Buffy, which made little sense to me...but it doesn't change the legalities. The Kuzui's made a case that their contract had been breached by Fox and Mutany Enemy (Whedon's production company) and that they were well within their rights to exercise their option to do their own interpretation of the character and I presume as a bargaining tool began shopping the idea around."

If that's not confusing enough, to further complicate matters, two years ago, a third party reportedly jumped into the fray, just after Whedon announced that he was ending Buffy's run on UPN in 2003. The plan, according to Hollywood sources, was to use the Kuzui's option to create a completely separate TV program with a new actress taking over from series star Sarah Michelle Gellar.

"I was contacted by a producer -- whose name I won't mention -- and asked to submit 'Joss Whedon-type material'," says "Communication Breakdown" director Richard O'Sullivan (whose credits can be seen on IMDb by clicking here). "This was during the period in which I was first starting to pitch 'Breach of Heaven' as a TV series and the obvious comparisons came up since they're both kind of in the same genre. They wanted something 'Whedonesque' but didn't really give me any details about what the project was."

Part of O'Sullivan's writing sample (which can be read by clicking here) was subsequently leaked by a disgruntled former associate to Harry Knowles' Ain't It Cool News website, which initially reported it as the 2003/2004 season opener of Buffy's sister show, "Angel," thus sparking a debate among Whedon fans about the script's validity.

"At first I freaked," says O'Sullivan. "I thought, '****, the whole thing just went up in smoke.' But then, my phone rang."

O'Sullivan says the producers of the proposed show concocted a plan to use the controversy to their advantage. The idea was to continue with plans to secure the option rights to the Buffy character from the Kuzui's (who felt they still had the right to use the main character from the movie, though certainly not the newer characters or character histories from Whedon's series), but now, in order to pitch the concept to Fox (or wherever the project landed after the legalities were sorted out) they wanted to rush a pilot into "top secret" production and book Screen Gems studios in Wilmington, N.C. (host to such series as "Dawson's Creek" and "One Tree Hill") to serve as the home for the new show.

"I was offered a producer's credit in exchange for basically acting as the 'front man' for the pilot," says O'Sullivan. "They wanted to do business as 'Breach of Heaven,' cast as 'Breach of Heaven,' basically tell everyone we were making the 'Breach of Heaven' pilot...but then when the cast and crew showed up, shoot the pilot for the new Buffy."

O'Sullivan was asked to script the pilot, with specific instructions given that the story would not be set in Sunnydale nor would it include characters from Whedon's shows, other than Buffy and the odd mention of the Slayer's mother, who was not to ever be referred to as "Joyce" (since "Joyce Summers" was a specific creation of Whedon).

The end result, which carried the working title "Slayer: The Adventures of Buffy Summers," picked up some 90 years in the future with the heroine frozen in time, literally turned to wood, and part of an art piece depicting a war between humans and demons.

"The idea was that at some point after the turn of the new millennium, a great battle took place between good and evil and for whatever reason, a powerful mystical force froze Buffy and the demons she was fighting for almost a century," says O'Sullivan. "When the story opens, a tour guide is explaining to a group of school kids -- a mixture of humans and demons -- that the world 90 years ago was a much different, less tolerant place."

Naturally, Buffy is released from the spell, and, after disposing of the demons she had been frozen with for nine decades, is forced to deal with the new inter-dimensional world order.

"It was a very Patton-after-the-war type script," says O'Sullivan. "Here you had Buffy, instantly transported to a new place in time, all her friends gone, the war she had fought since she was sixteen years old over...not knowing who to trust, not knowing how to deal with the fact that she's not supposed to be fighting the monsters she was brought forth to kill. Plus, now she has to wrap her head around concepts like vampires and demons having free will and coexisting with humans in everyday life. It was an interesting new dynamic and not just a rehash of roads already traveled."

Plans for the series, which was being geared toward syndication or cable, were put on hold last year after negotiations to secure the rights stalled amidst the predictable legal wrangling. O'Sullivan believes, however, that the show, which likely would have starred Polish-born actress Aleks West (whom O'Sullivan later cast in his film "Communication Breakdown") would still make for some interesting television.

"Don't get me wrong," says the filmmaker. "I'm a huge Joss Whedon fan. What he did with that series, and with 'Angel,' was groundbreaking stuff. It blew the original movie away and I actually found Fran Kuzui's film to be rather entertaining. But I think there are still so many different directions you can take that character."

Currently, plans remain in the works to bring O'Sullivan's "Breach of Heaven" -- presumably the real "Breach of Heaven" this time -- to television.


Aleks West as the third actress to play Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
Could it still happen?


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Breaking News: Fox Television has completely divested itself from Mutant Enemy, the production company owned by "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" mastermind Joss Whedon. This has some insiders speculating that the rumors of a new Buffy series without Whedon at the helm may be true after all. "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" was originally a property sold to Fox by Kuzui Enterprises and Sandollar Television. Whedon, who penned the big screen film that the series was based on, pitched the idea of doing "Buffy" as a series to the WB in the late 90's and has largely been looked at as the driving force behind the series.

Over the years, there have been rumblings of a massive rift between Kuzui, Fox, and Whedon, with terms like "breach of contract" used liberally. A script for a big screen Buffy sequel (attached to the Kuzui camp) has circulated for awhile now and recently a brief screener for a proposed "Buffy" television pilot began making the rounds. According to Fox TV, it retains full rights to the Buffy franchise.

Fox refuses to comment on whether or not Kuzui and/or Sandollar retain a "first right of refusal" option as to who produces the show. Speculation is that the recent Fox TV/Whedon split indicates that Mutant Enemy does not.

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OK...Mutant Enemy does own the rights to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel the TV show and ALL characters. SO the Idea that Joss would allow a show based on Buffy to go ahead without SMG is to be honest Laughable.
There is NO truth to this what so ever.....i would bet my LIFE on it.
Fact is IF Joss came up with the Idea for the show so any thing to do with it set even mildly in the Whedonverse needs HIS approval....be it TV, Movies, Books and Comics..
So i would pay no heed to the article.....
 
i think that artical is a load of trash. joss not creating buffy? come on! i read his book, it states when, where and how he came up with the idea...i think it was in college.
buffy set in the future? this is ridiculous! i cannot see this ever getting the green light to air on TV...joss whedon owns every single one of these characters...and i cannot see him giving permission for something like this to be made.
i'm not believing this for a second.
 
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I'm not saying I wouldn't watch it ... But, the weirdness of it (NO Joss and NO Sarah?!) would definitely make me think twice about actually liking it. Plus, without Joss at the helm ... I wouldn't expect it to actually be good.
 
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Exactly what I'm thinking.....
I'm not saying I wouldn't watch it ... But, the weirdness of it (NO Joss and NO Sarah?!) would definitely make me think twice about actually liking it. Plus, without Joss at the helm ... I wouldn't expect it to actually be good.

Well, whether the article is true or not. I dont think it would be the same without the old characters and actors. Even though O'Sullivan was asked to do Whedon-like scripting. Whether he can or not.
I would at least watch the first show and see what its like.

Mark
 
if this is true (which I doubt) no one will watch it, and it would only have a "buffy" and none of the other characters... I don't get why they'd try.
 
if this is true (which I doubt) no one will watch it, and it would only have a "buffy" and none of the other characters... I don't get why they'd try.
i agree...if it did air, i was going to watch it to be nosy...but tht was before i read the aritical...now i'm gonna stay as far away from it as i can get...but i really can't see it ever getting close to being made!
 
I'm not saying I wouldn't watch it ... But, the weirdness of it (NO Joss and NO Sarah?!) would definitely make me think twice about actually liking it. Plus, without Joss at the helm ... I wouldn't expect it to actually be good.
I agree.....Joss was the driving force behind Buffy and Angel, he's what made them great. His vision. I can understand others wanting to repeat that success with a known franchise, and they think they can do it, because the Whedonverse has a built-in fan base that's constantly hounding Joss to create something new. What they don't seem to understand is how loyal that fan base is to JOSS.....not just the characters on Buffy, or Angel, or Firefly.....it's Joss himself.
 
Buffy in the future is so not the way to take that character.This show sounds like it would suck.No scoobies or AI.I can't imagine it being Buffy by herself in a futuristic world.The reason some people like the show so much is because of the supporting cast.If they made this show,I wouldn't watch it.
 
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