After trying to redeem their evil past, who do you think is more of a good guy?
But being more mentally unstable doesn't mean you're a worse person...couldn't this go the opposite way and say that because of this Faith is better, because she has to try to control herself more? In your opinion that might make her more dangerous, because she "could" snap, but she hasn't yet, so it doesn't make her bad.So, based on that, who's a better person, Faith or Spike? Well, they're both pretty great... But the answer is Spike. Why? Because Faith still has tons of severe issues that could make her snap at any moment. She still has rage issues, and she still struggles with cynicism, and she's just more unstable than Spike - who's not a picture of mental health himself. So, yeah. Spike.
But being more mentally unstable doesn't mean you're a worse person...couldn't this go the opposite way and say that because of this Faith is better, because she has to try to control herself more? In your opinion that might make her more dangerous, because she "could" snap, but she hasn't yet, so it doesn't make her bad.
But here's the thing - In season 8, Faith stabbed Giles with a fork when he just touched her shoulder. She nearly strangled Buffy to death out of rage.In season 9, she almost killed her father in a fit of rage. Faith tries SO hard to better herself, but she still stumbles. It's not just that she's unstable in theory, it's in practice too. Spike, on the other hand, doesn't have that issue.
I disagree here about Spike having no issues surrounding his good guy status, I just don't think its an issue of control, but how they both view a lack of control.
S7 Spike, after the initial horror, cared very little about the fact that the trigger had made him kill and turn many people- that loss of control didn't seem to bother him that much.
I'm not talking about the 'mind control' aspects- you can't fairly blame Spike for all the killing- but his reaction to it up until and including 'LMPTM' is just...he's way too comfortable with something evil playing around in his head.
Also the way he beat Wood to a pulp- valid- and then just up and bit him and taunting him with the 'knowledge' that Wood's slayer Mum never really loved him and that's MY COAT thank you very much, etc.
Punching Faith in the face in a completely unprovoked manner in 'Touched'.
Contrasted with Faith who gets punched by Buffy (twice) but doesn't fight back because 'other things matter more'- points to a far greater control of temper to be honest.
Starting the fight with Angel in S5 'Destiny'- Spike threw the first punch- and for what? Because he wanted to take something away from Angel. He remembered what Angelus taught him- take what you want- and it still applies to Spike's thinking in his ensouled state.
Spike has stumbled plenty, he just doesn't view it as a 'loss of control', because they stem from his personality, not his 'darkness'.
I think a character who is more aware of the faults is- on the whole- a better example of a good guy.
taunting him with the 'knowledge' that Wood's slayer Mum never really loved him and that's MY COAT thank you very much, etc.
I don't think Spike was taunting in the sense he was going "your mum didn't love you, nah nah nah nah nah", but I think he was being very blunt in how he phrased his words.
The coat was very important to Spike as a character, he's not Spike without the coat. I think what's interesting is, after he got his soul, Spike didn't wear the coat but had it packed away in a box. The coat represented the vampire in him and it was as if he was rejecting that side of himself. When Buffy gave her little buck up speech to him and Willow, he went and retrieved his coat. The whole putting it on scene combined with the music had a very much "I'm back" vibe to it. He was embracing that side of himself, and since it enabled him to defeat the demon, made him a much better fighter. Rather than choosing between one or the other, he accepted both sides of himself. Also, because the coat is an integral part of Spike's character, the writers could hardly have him say "keep the coat".
Both men had mommy issues but on separate ends of the scale. Spike thought his mother didn't really love him because of what was said after her siring but overcame them by accepting the fact that actually she did love him and it was the demon talking not her. Robin pictured Nikki as this doting mother who was cruelly taken from him and couldn't accept the fact that he wasn't the sole focus of her life.